Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sam Alessi


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus that without significant coverage, mayor of a city is non-notable. --PeaceNT (talk) 06:18, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Sam Alessi

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Individual doesn't meet the requirements of being notable. Minor local figure. Delete Mr. Vernon (talk) 05:24, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Does not meet WP:POLITICIAN. --Wikieditor06 (talk) 13:23, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete due to the lack of citations from reliable sources, which are required by the verifiability policy. Stifle (talk) 14:11, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions.   -- the wub  "?!"  16:41, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions.   -- the wub  "?!"  16:41, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - Was mayor of a city with over 120,000 population. --Oakshade (talk) 21:24, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment A city with over 120,000 population is a notable city, justifying an article in Wikipedia.  Being the Mayor of that city is not, in itself, notable.  Mayors come and go.  Wikipedia would have a lot of articles about former Mayors if donning the Mayoral robes were sufficient to qualify as notable.  Dolphin51 (talk) 03:48, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The ol " _____s come and go"' argument. How are nation presidents notable?  Presidents come and go!  Why have articles of all US Congress people?  There must be thousands of them in history.  They come and go! (Sarcasm ends now.) At what political status do we say that a person of of that position is not notable?  I think mayor of a city of over 120,000 is beyond that threshold.  Of course mayors come and go.  That's why Wikipedia can have articles about them.  Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia.  There is no limit of bandwidth of topics that can be covered. --Oakshade (talk) 05:24, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Sam Alessi is not the Mayor. He used to be the Mayor.  Apparently his term ended in 2005.  The current Mayor appears to be a lady, Councillor Pavlidis.  See Note 1 below. (To the best of my knowledge, there is no Wikipedia article about Mayor Pavlidis.)  Is WP:BIO broad enough to accommodate people who used to be Mayor?  Dolphin51 (talk) 05:56, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Used to be mayor. Thanks for correcting the tense.  Argument doesn't change though.  That an article hasn't been created for the current mayor is not criteria for this article's deletion.  Wikipedia has no deadline. --Oakshade (talk) 06:32, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete This is a general biographical article about a teacher and minor civic identity.  The article does not demonstrate that Sam is notable in accordance with any of the criteria for notability such as WP:BIO.  The article does not even assert that Sam is notable on some point.  A plethora of biographical minutiae is not a substitute for demonstrating notability on some point or another.  The creator of this article, Wikiinfoman (talk • contribs), is a newcomer to Wikipedia, having made only one contribution - this article.  Dolphin51 (talk) 04:00, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Being mayor of a city is an assertion of notability. An ad hominem attack on the article creator for being new to Wikipedia (forgot WP:NEWBIES?) is not criteria for article deletion. --Oakshade (talk) 05:15, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment My comment about the article creator is a statement of fact.  I hope it did not appear to the creator to be an attack.  Before posting my remarks I visited the creator's User talk page and posted the usual Wikipedia Welcome! message.  Writing a new article for Wikipedia is not a task to be undertaken lightly.  Ideally such a task is not undertaken until the User has done an apprenticeship and gained an understanding of how Wikipedia works.  In this case, the creator's first article was written without the guidance provided in the Wikipedia Welcome message and the article was quickly nominated for deletion.  Dolphin51 (talk) 05:47, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Sam Alessi is not just another civic identity. He is much more notable than that (Starnewsgroup). The City of Whittlesea has a population of over 120,000 but is also one of the fastest growing regions in metropolitan Melbourne. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiinfoman (talk • contribs) 04:33, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete To satisfy WP:POLITICIAN the subject needs to have received significant press coverage. He had the odd quote as Mayor in Melbourne metro press and was quoted once on ABC radio, but nearly all coverage has been restricted to the local Whittlesea suburban paper - barely a significant secondary source. Murtoa (talk) 07:25, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment There is nothing in WP:SECONDARY that a suburban newspaper does not count as a significant secondary source. The question really is depth of coverage for WP:N, not WP:BIO, which the article at the moment doesn't meet. Assize (talk) 12:37, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Fair enough. With regard to WP:SECONDARY I would argue that suburban newspapers are less likely to come under the definition of mainstream and in general would be less reliable than metropolitan dailies. Also, would not respective coverage be an indicator of notability - big in Whittlesea would suggest less notable than big in metropolitan Melbourne?  Murtoa (talk) 06:41, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete: There is nothing notable in the article. The author must prove notability, which hasn't yet been done.-- Lester  20:43, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - three term mayor is a notable position --T-rex 19:52, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - 3 times mayor is only notable when it is noted by reliable third party sources. I don't see any notability shown here.Yobmod (talk) 10:39, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - non-notable local officeholder without substantial media coverage. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  16:22, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep mayor of a city of over 100,000, why wouldn't this be a notable topic? Sure, it's a stub article but I'm okay with that.--Paul McDonald (talk) 17:48, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per Orangemike. Yilloslime (t) 17:49, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. A google news archive search turns over several pages of hits, most from the Whittlesea Leader. The Whittlesea Leader is apparently the leading newspaper in Whittlesea, a sizeable community, and part of a large newspaper family in the Melbourne area .  So, he has not attracted much coverage outside of Whittlesea, but there is loads of coverage there that's usable.  (Unfortunately, it all costs money to look at, but many of the articles are about him or his elections, not merely toss-off mentions).  Mango juice talk 18:13, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of  &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 02:40, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep per Mangojuice saying there are several articles with substantial coverage. A past mayor of a city of 120,000 doubtless has numerous newspaper article with substantial coverage of his campaign for office and his actions, good or bad, during office. Edison2 (talk) 04:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * COMMENT: Simply being Mayor (or President or Prime Minister) for one, two or three terms is not inherently notable.  Similarly, winning an election once, twice or three times is not inherently notable.  WP:POLITICIAN says Just being an elected local official … … does not guarantee notability … …  It also says notability depends on significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.  Obtaining significant coverage in independent sources will inevitably depend on what the Mayor (or President or Prime Minister) did or achieved during his or her term of office.  Let's hear about what Sam Alessi did or achieved during his terms of office.  I have previously said Delete on the grounds that the article does not demonstrate notability.  Dolphin51 (talk) 05:18, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete - Lack of reliable sources indicates the subject is probably not notable. / Blaxthos ( t / c ) 05:20, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.