Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sam Black (Magic: The Gathering player)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. WP:BLP, a core policy, mandates: "Material about living persons added to any Wikipedia page must be written with the greatest care and attention to verifiability, neutrality, and avoidance of original research." As the nomination points out, and the "keep" opinions largely ignore, this article fails these requirements because it is only sourced to the non-independent game company and a page on the website of a store that sells the game. Because of the overriding importance of WP:BLP, this discussion must be closed as "delete" by administrative supervote, regardless of the opinions expressed in the discussion.  Sandstein  11:13, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Sam Black (Magic: The Gathering player)

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Fails GNG and BLP. Article sourced entirely to the website of the Wizards of the Coast game company. LavaBaron (talk) 12:55, 3 August 2016 (UTC) - Delete - This isn't a social media site... No need to list every player of a game who has won some money. -- Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 18:46, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2016 August 3.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 13:15, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - Meets the subject-specific criteria here (200+ pro points) Tazerdadog (talk) 11:14, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 11:40, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Begrudging Keep I would say that the player is at least arguably successful enough in his field to warrant a page. I have heard of pro golfers who have make less than that. At any rate is there a Magic Wiki expert editor who would be able to weigh in? I do not know enough about the subject. Dolotta (talk) 17:26, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm probably as close to an expert as we are likely to get on the subject matter. Sam black, and indeed all of the players that Lavabaron has nominated, are giants of professional magic, and meet the subject-specific notability guidelines.  Tazerdadog (talk) 03:15, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Looking for better sourcing... Jclemens (talk) 04:41, 7 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep number of appearances in non-Wizards M:tG sites, including some critical of him, substantiates Tazerdadog's argument. Since the entire game/league is owned by one company, independence in sourcing is particularly problematic in M:tG topics. Jclemens (talk) 04:46, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete we don't even know the basic biographical details of this guy: date and place of birth, for example. For someone who's supposedly "notable" that's a red flag. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 02:19, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Date of birth added to the article. I'm not sure why place of birth is even in the template, it seems completely random to me.  Tazerdadog (talk) 17:51, 10 August 2016 (UTC)


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