Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sam Distefano


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. I am pretty much discounting all commentary by ip174.72.248.8. Ad Orientem (talk) 00:53, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Sam Distefano

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Delete as non-notable individual. Article created by son. Understandable but doesn't meet the threshold of notability, IMHO. Quis separabit? 05:22, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Qualitist (talk) 11:49, 27 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep... but cleanup and re-focus significantly. He was a moderately important businessman on the Las Vegas Strip during the glory days, and got posthumous coverage of that in a fair number of reliable media sources after his death. There are some retrospective sources out there that could be added to the article to enhance the history of his business dealings. (But beware that there is a Chicago mobster of almost the same name: Sam DeStefano.) On the other hand, the gentleman's music is completely insignificant and non-notable, and it's evident that the article's creator (a family member) is trying to round out the man's life story with useless family values. That stuff can be removed, and get rid of most of the photos too. Otherwise there might be enough for a stub article on his business history. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 17:06, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: User 174.72.248.8 (who voted twice below), edited MY vote and put the following text in the middle of my comment: (LOL. Whatever you say, Lord Vader.  LOL. Every fact in this man's bio is one hundred percent true, accurate, and just that - factual; and can be confirmed, referenced, and sourced all day long.  And if his century-lifelong achievements aren't 'notable,' but rather 'completely insignificant and non-notable,' I'd like to read YOUR biography.  Lol. :)) (Of course! Readers HATE photos, right?  LOL.  They're so boring.  LOL.  :)) My comment has been restored to its original. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 13:31, 4 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Note: Doomsdayer520 (an apparently well-thought-out and most appropriate name) is absolutely misalleging that his or her vote was "edited."  Not one single word or even so much as one letter of his or her "vote" was touched, removed, changed, deleted, or "edited" in any way at all whatsoever.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.72.248.8 (talk) 00:24, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Did you know that Wikipedia tracks edit histories? My comment was first altered by 174.72.248.8 in this edit:, with several more tweaks by the same user. Note that I was first called "Satan" before it was changed to "Vader". All this for recommending that we KEEP the article! ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 14:03, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Vmavanti (talk) 19:23, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Agreeing with original post.
 * Keep... He obviously was an integral component to the history of entertainment on both the famous Playboy Club chain circuit as well as the Las Vegas Strip. Practically every aspect of his illustrious career is sourceable.  As an example, he was a judge on Star Search and there are clippings viewable on the Internet of the shows he appeared on.  He also led the famous 32-piece house orchestra at Playboy's flagship resort property that backed all of its very famous headliners for over a decade.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.72.248.8 (talk) 18:32, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Note: How could someone who co-created, associated-produced, and booked four different legendary productions shows on the Las Vegas Strip that ran for a total of over an entire century combined (i.e., Splash, An Evening At La Cage, An Evening At The Improv, and Crazy Girls (which is still running to this day at Planet Hollywood since Distefano along with Norbert Aleman and Meshulam Riklis originally co-created, associate-produced, and booked it over a third of a century ago in 1986 at the Riviera and it hasn't stopped running one single night since)) as well as started countless celebrities in show business by launching their careers on the iconic, international Playboy Club circuit for over a quarter century straight (while simultaneously accompanying on piano, leading, and conducting the world-class 32-piece orchestra that backed all of these countless celebrities at Playboy's 1,600-acre resort in Lake Geneva for 10 of those 25 years) be "non-notable???" Is this a fair question worth contemplating?
 * Pinging who appears to be the one who accepted this at WP:AFC. ~Kvng (talk) 15:43, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: The two "keep" votes above are by the same person, 174.72.248.8. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 02:08, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   11:52, 3 February 2019 (UTC) Note: And while Doomsdayer520 is counting 'votes,' why not expend some of that same time counting his or her own "notes?" You always this passionate and dedicated to sabotaging people's Wiki pages??? LOL. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.72.248.8 (talk) 00:30, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
 * There were previously two "Keep" votes above, both by 174.72.248.8 and the second remains unsigned. This editor has since changed the second vote from "Keep" to "Note". All of this is clearly visible in the edit history, which is a record that cannot be sabotaged. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 16:47, 5 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Vote Retracted - Admins, please disregard my vote above and do not count it in the final decision (in other words, my vote is now Abstain.) I first recommended that we KEEP the article, but nevertheless I have had my comment vandalized by the article's supporter, who has called me "Satan" and accused me of sabotage when all I did was recommend cleaning up the article. This is clearly visible in the edit history, which cannot be sabotaged. Congratulations to Mr. 174.72.248.8 for alienating his own supporters. It's too bad that none of this makes old Mr. Distefano any more notable. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 14:11, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Note: It's really obvious from the very outset, how Doomsdayer520 was being "completely objective" and not acting from motives that were anything at all "personal" or the result of being perhaps a little oversensitive. LOL. In re to "Mr. Doomsdayer520's" alleged vote of "keep," it was (as the unsabotageable 'record' indisputably shows) in actuality, a vote of "weak keep." LOL. So, he or she evidently was "on the fence" from the start. Also, how could Mr. 174.82.248.8 "alienate his own supporter's'" if there was only one supporte"r" (i.e., singular as opposed to plural) in the first place??? So, not only is Doomsdayer520 exceptionally vulnerable to sticks, stones, and names that hurt him or her, he or she also appears to have a potential issue with distinguishing between singular and plural. LOL. Take it easy, Doomsdayer520. If it'll help dry your tears a bit, Mr. 174.72.248.8 hereby both retracts the "dark side" name-calling's as well as humbly and most sincerely apologizes for them. And Doomsdayer520 is most certainly correct when adding that "none of this makes old Mr. Distefano any more notable." Particularly when he or she, him or herself, incorrectly misstated (again as the indisputable Wiki record indicates and affirms) "old Mr. Distefano's" music was "completely insignificant and NON-NOTABLE." (Emphasis added.) LOL. Too bad indeed. Most especially since Doomsdayer520 was woefully and absolutely most incorrect (as he or she apparently has been about most everything in this 'discussion') in attempting to misapply those inapplicable adjectives to an accomplished jazz pianist who was bunkmates for three years straight in the same platoon, as well as best friends for life, with Bill Evans, lead on piano and conducted his own 32-piece house orchestra at the legendary, 1,600-acre Playboy Resort and Country Club in Lake Geneva for over a decade straight that accompanied Tony Bennett, Ann Margret, Liza Minnelli, Sammy Davis, Jr., Anthony Newley, Vic Damone, Buddy Rich, Diahann Carroll, Steve Lawrence and Edyie Gorme, and dozens more of the world's most legendary vocalists and jazz artists, could play over 1,500 standards in all twelve keys, and was the house pianist at the Stut 'N Tut in Miami (that he personally owned and operated) with the single greatest jazz trombonist in history (more so than even Kai Winding, Bill Watrous, J.J. Johnson, Tommy Dorsey, and Glenn Miller COMBINED) - Carl Fontana (also a dear, close, personal, lifelong, family friend of the Distefano's for DECADES). If that's not PROOF that "Mr. Doomsdayer520" should stick to editing horticulture bios, instead of attempting to wield false comments exposing his or her ignorance about "old Mr. Distefano," then nothing else could constitute that proof more. Now remember, Mr. Doomsdayer520, these are FACTS and it's really nothing personal. No joke. So, try to stay cool, calm, and collected. LOL. And also take note: Nothing in the above "Note" contained any "useless family values." LOL. LOL. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.72.248.8 (talk) 04:06, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete All but one of the sources are obituaries, simply not enough sustained significant coverage to establish notability. Also, @174.72.248.8 I suggest that you read WP:COI, specifically WP:COISELF, and WP:CIVIL. Best, GPL93 talk) 12:23, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Keep Distefano was legendary in his industry.

Keep Sam Distefano was well known and respected throughout the show business industry.
 * Comment @174.72.248.8 You are only allowed to vote once. GPL93 (talk) 13:29, 10 February 2019 (UTC)


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