Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sam Jones Expressway (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  06:38, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Sam Jones Expressway
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No results in GBooks or GNews. Searches in the Indianapolis papers for both the current and former names only yielded brief construction blurbs or businesses using it as a point of reference. This is a barely two-mile stretch of road that's called "freeway" only because it has exit ramps. It doesn't have a state highway number or any significance, and therefore seems to fail WP:USRD/NT Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 22:12, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 22:12, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Indiana-related deletion discussions. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 22:12, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep WP:N doesn't expire just because the road has been depreciated; still an active road, despite most of its use now being as a local road rather than an airport spur, and the only reason it has no state designation is because of the state's policy of having no numbered roads outside I-65 and I-70 within the 465 loop.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 22:41, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * It never had a state highway designation to my knowledge. And that still doesn't address the absolute lack of sources. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 23:00, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Have found this source which discusses its history in detail back to 1960; "airport expressway" + "indianapolis" unearths some other quality links (which lead to newspapers.com; my WPL access shows there's plenty more in the Star discussing its history.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 04:13, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The blog appears to be a self published source. I combed through every hit for "airport expressway" + "Indianapolis" on newspapers.com and all I found was trivial mentions or business ads using it as a point of reference. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 20:09, 26 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep. It's an adequately-written article about what certainly was a notable road. And there's nothing that requires a highway article to be limited to only numbered routes: the province of Ontario alone has six. AlgaeGraphix (talk) 00:42, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Sources. Where are they? I couldn't find a single one. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 00:44, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Source analysis needed Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 11:37, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. The renaming of "Airport Expressway" to the less descriptive, but honorary "Sam Jones Express" elicits enough confusion that information seekers will want to know what and why. Sources include:
 * IBJ on renaming: https://www.ibj.com/articles/8526-airport-expressway-renamed-for-sam-jones
 * Study citing the expressway for unusually high traffic levels: https://docs.lib.purdue.edu/jtrpaffdocs/43/
 * Report with figure dating construction of new ramps: https://docs.lib.purdue.edu/imr/4/
 * Indianapolis International Airport Master Plan Development, 1992. Describes growing traffic problems and need for redevelopment: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Indianapolis_International_Airport_Maste/5vw0AQAAMAAJ
 * History of the Interstate Highway System in Indiana: Route history, 1975. Describes some factors in decision making leading to creation: https://www.google.com/books/edition/History_of_the_Interstate_Highway_System/By0pAQAAMAAJ*:
 * 1969 City Council ordinance renaming a section of Raymond Street to "Airport Expressway": https://journals.iupui.edu/index.php/ccci/article/download/11903/11937
 * Entry describing reason for renaming to Sam Jones Expressway: https://indyencyclopedia.org/sam-h-jones/
 * — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaireeodell (talk • contribs) 23:43, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 10:13, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete- for clear failure to show notability; in that there is no indication of significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Springnuts (talk) 11:51, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment The sources brought up by are mostly passing mentions or city council notes, the latter of which do not seem to be sources suitable for notability. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 18:22, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


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