Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sam Panayotovich


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The result was   Delete. --Aqwis (talk – contributions) 16:53, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Sam Panayotovich

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Figure fails WP:BIO in not being "the subject of published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject". Enclosed citations are directly related to figure's non-notable website. Also, see Articles for deletion/Brandon Rosage. Goosfraba (talk) 13:24, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak delete I can't argue with the above statement, but I'm also not sure that MVN is non-notable - see here, for instance, and also look at the volume of references and links to it on other sites. It seems to be something of a phenomenon in the fan community. I suspect this person will be notable very soon. Brianyoumans (talk) 14:09, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Has not received significant coverage in reliable sources, thus not meeting the WP:BIO notability standard. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 04:13, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Claims of notability are mostly specious. MVN doesn't exactly have a high threshold of entry, and being "featured or linked on Yahoo! Sports, Deadspin, AOL Fanhouse, The Big Lead, Pro Sports Daily, The Baseball Zealot, Yardbarker and BallHype" isn't that much of an achievement for a sports blog with any level of ambition (in fact, I have been linked on Deadspin and The Big Lead - it's not that hard, when they each publish 20+ stories a day and have one link-dump post per day), and BallHype is a Digg-like user generated portal. --Mosmof (talk) 02:16, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Edited to add, another member of this blog network had an article deleted for pretty much the same reason: Articles for deletion/Dan Benton. That was in November, and nothing much seems to have changed. That these articles don't have anyone other than single-purpose accounts editing is, while itself not being a criterion for deletion, pretty damning as well. --Mosmof (talk) 02:40, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Hey guys. Sorry for not meeting the initial requirements. I just added four secondary sources including two radio appearances, one acknowledgement for having the best mock draft and another complimenting him on his radio abilities. These sources are all independent of the subject and prove notability. As for claims that Most Valuable Network is non-notable, I'd beg to differ. It's the largest independent sports media website on the net. Granted, it's no ESPN or Sports Illustrated, but MVN has a very solid foundation in terms of fan viewership. Sam is one of the most recognizable personalities on MVN and his work has definitely garnered notable recognition outside of its boundaries. --Danksank44 (talk) 04:03, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I still don't see how this meets WP:BIO. The first two sources listed in the references are from MVN and an MVN-affiliated site, the next two are from blogs, one is a radio appearance and the last is a podcast appearance (?). None of this meets WP:N, which requires independent, reliable (which blogs and podcasts are not) sources providing significant coverage - which is to say, a mention in a blog post about blogger mock drafts or an appearance on a radio show are insufficient. "Significant coverage" for a sports blogger would mean something like [www.nytimes.com/2006/01/29/sports/baseball/29cheers.html this NY Times article] about Will Leitch. --Mosmof (talk) 21:49, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * So you're going to claim that because he hasn't been written about in the New York Times or the Boston Globe, the sources aren't reliable? I really think you're downplaying the work he's done and frankly, I don't see a problem with the entry. He beat all the experts, including ESPN's Chad Ford and Yahoo's Jeff Goodman for the rights of best mock draft around. He's been on ESPN Radio 1000 and Ticket 760, two nationally known sports radio stations. This isn't your standard blogger on Blogspot or Xanga or whatever. I don't see why you're so adamant that the entry be deleted when he's obviously making great strides in media. --Danksank44 (talk) 22:35, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "So you're going to claim that because he hasn't been written about in the New York Times or the Boston Globe, the sources aren't reliable?" Well, yes. Blogs and podcasts, even relatively major ones like FanIQ, are self published sources. But no, I'm not adamant that this article be deleted - if you can actually point to sources that meet the thresholds defined in WP:N and WP:BIO, then I'd change my mind. I'm just asking you to actually read and understand the relevant Wikipedia policies. --Mosmof (talk) 23:05, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


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