Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saman Arastoo


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 19:54, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Saman Arastoo

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Thresholds for general or actor notability appear not to be met - there's a distinct lack of of in-depth coverage (as opposed to listings and passing mentions). Declined a couple times at AfC and published w/o sufficient sourcing improvements. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 03:17, 1 September 2018 (UTC) Elmidae (talk · contribs) 03:17, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 05:06, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 05:06, 1 September 2018 (UTC)


 * delete fails WP:NACTOR. — usernamekiran (talk)  09:07, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, the subject also fails GNG. — usernamekiran (talk)  01:11, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Would it not be possible to change this page into a redirect to his most notable work Abadan and then put some of his biography there? Just an idea, new to page creation. PoliceSheep99 (talk) 12:46, 1 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Saman's notability is most related to his role in the Iranian transgender community. Unfortunately the page "Transsexuality in Iran" has been renamed Transgender rights in Iran which would be a poor fit for a move. I am also new to article creation and hoped that material from his Farsi article could be translated, but I do not currently have those resources. Are there different measures of notability for people of marginalized communities? Lastchapter (talk) 01:38, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Not really - we don't apply value weightings to subjects ("this topic needs more exposure"), we just document topics that already have received a certain degree of coverage from other sources. Meaning, regrettable as it may seem sometimes, that if worty cause A is not getting coverage in the mainstream media, we are not the venue to rectify that... -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 09:19, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Appreciate the feedback. I've been in conversations about gender gap and similar concerns and was told that there was some movement on Wikipedia to not solely reflect traditional media power dynamics, but I haven't found the discussions they referenced. I'll try to follow up with those editors to clarify. Lastchapter (talk) 15:51, 2 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep: May fail NACTOR, but passes GNG. Sources 2, 3 and 4 all amount to significant coverage of the subject, and we could probably find more Persian language sources if we tried. GNG applies over NACTOR in this case because 1) his notability is derived from being transgender instead of from being an actor and 2) NACTOR is a lower standard anyway, so if it meets the higher one, that's sufficient. Sourcing isn't in the best shape, and some other things could use clean up, but deletion isn't cleanup. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 23:49, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, if a subject passes GNG, then the subject doesn't have to pass anything else. But I dont think this subject passes GNG. — usernamekiran (talk)  01:11, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, I just argued that are all significant, reliable, independent sources. You claim to disagree but haven't explained why. Would you? —Compassionate727 (T·C) 02:00, 5 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep I found a few sources in the article that show the subjects passes WP:GNG (as stated more eloquently by Compassionate727). When you combine that with the fact that Saman also had a major part in a notable movie and it's a Keep. JC7V  -constructive zone  02:14, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep I think this article is notable; Because his life and his work are independent coverage from independent reliable sources. فرهنگ2016 (talk) 07:47, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep enough rs sources have been identified to indicate that WP:BASIC is passed, regards, Atlantic306 (talk) 19:09, 8 September 2018 (UTC)


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