Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama (of AP Sunnis)

Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama (of AP Sunnis)

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The previous history of the organization Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama, which was formed in 1926, was corrected on the page In 1989, a new organization was formed after resigning from this organization due to differences in ideas And the person who wrote the article made a full correction on the first page intentionally / for his own people (WP:CONFLICT),WP:PE and added the previous established year to the new page and wrote the new page in a promotional style. More content from the first page is also included in the new page ~ Spworld2 (talk) 16:18, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Do not delete page on Hitler, USA, Samastha of AP Sunnis and EK Sunnis just because there are people who have COI. Content is to determined using the reliable sources. I am neutral in this. That is why I say "(of AP Sunnis)" and "(EK Sunnis)". Both the AP and EK Sunnis claim their respective Samasthas is the real one. I can show that. So accepting one group's only claim could be CONFLICT OF INTEREST, especially in Wikipedia where Ahmadiyyas are categorised alongside Muslims. Reliable sources call Samastha of AP Sunnis "Samastha Kerala Je-iyyathul Ulama".I am sorry to say calling for its deletion must be nothing other than COI since reliable sources do not support that claim. Neutralhappy (talk) 11:10, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: India,  and Kerala Spworld2 (talk) 16:18, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I could not see it there. If it necessary, feel free to add it there too. Neutralhappy (talk) 19:21, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2024 July 10.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 10:14, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations and Islam.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  10:48, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Though Spworld2 says to have included this discussion in the deletion sorting lists for Kerala and India, I could not see it. Is its inclusion necessary there? If yes, you being successful in adding this in deletion sorting lists for organizations and Islam, fee free to add this discussion to the same of Kerala and India. Neutralhappy (talk) 19:17, 16 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Very reliable The Hindu calls the Samastha of AP Sunnis "Samastha Kerala Jamiyyathul Ulama". There are numerous other sources that say the same.   Neutralhappy (talk) 11:30, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Dool News calls Samastha of AP Sunnis a Samastha (AP Samastha).
 * Mathrubhumi.com calls Samastha of AP Sunnis a Samastha (AP Samastha)
 * Times of India also calls Samastha of AP Sunnis a Samastha. Moreover this terms the Samastha "Samastha Kerala Jem Iyyathul Ulama"
 * Scroll.in says there are two different Samasthas
 * OnManorama.com calls the Samastha of AP Sunnis a Samastha and mentions "Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama"
 * News 18 says there are two Samasthas.
 * Arab News calls Samastha of AP Sunnis a "Samastha"
 * The New Indian Express calls Samastha of AP Sunnis "Samastha Kerala Je-iyyathul Ulama".
 * Manoramanews.com says there are two Samasthas.
 * Thejas News calls Kanthapuram's Samatha is Samastha Kerala Je-iyyathul Ulama.
 * Kerala Kaumudi calls AP Sunnis' Samastha "Samastha Kerala Je-iyyathul Ulama"
 * Neutralhappy (talk) 13:46, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * See also:
 * Dool news
 * Mathrubhumi
 * The Times of India
 * Scroll.in
 * Manorama News
 * News 18
 * Arab News
 * The New Indian Express
 * Kerala Kaumudi
 * Thejas
 * Neutralhappy (talk) 02:38, 11 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep: The organization has been featured on the websites of many reliable newspapers including The Hindu. Youknow? (talk) 07:44, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen&times; &#9742;  08:42, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I think, It's more than just a conflict of interest. According to government records, the name "Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama" is registered exclusively for the Samastha (EK Sunni's). Therefore, the claim made by the Ap Sunni's is not relevant. The government records tend to be more reliable than media sources Iyas Muhammed kc (talk) 14:26, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Policy :
 * Naming is to be done as per the Wikipedia policy. It is not the government that decides in what name an organization should be known, but rather publicity, which in turn is used by reliable sources. So It do this as per naming policy of Wikipedia. See WP:NC. Hence "Samastha Kerala Je-iyyathul Ulama (of AP Sunnis)" is apparently the best choice because this contains both the term "Samastha Kerala Je-iyyathul Ulama" and the term "AP Sunnis". This is because the term "Samastha Kerala Je-iyyathul Ulama" is needed to identify the organization because that is how it is widely referred to and the term "AP Sunnis" is added after the name  to avoid confusion". The part "(of AP Sunnis)" is used in the bracket to understand that it is not part of the name. The terms "AP Sunnis" and "EK Sunnis" are widely used. So I recommend the name of the article must have two things: one is the name which is widely used and the other one is another widely used term "AP Sunnis". Other possible names lack these advantages. Hence keep the article.
 * Relevance :
 * As for your (Iyas Muhammad kc) claim, here we can watch a Malayalam video in which Perod Abdurahman Saqafi, belonging to the AP Sunnis, made the same but opposite claim that as per the government's register office, Samastha of AP Sunnis exists there. But it is not relevant here. Neutralhappy (talk) 19:35, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * However, the discussion here is about deleting an article, not moving an article. Even if you have problem with the name, it can be solved by moving the article after a discussion. Deletion is not needed. Again there is no need of deleting the article.  Neutralhappy (talk) 19:41, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * What does this mean? Neutralhappy (talk) 20:03, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete COI (fear of losing page or client demanding back deal so this page editor keeps writing many comments here without any other debate),.Split a samsatha and create a new one(this), its information looks same here and edit some part for it. Ptmlp (talk) 19:23, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep

Two more sources: that too from one group of enemies of AP Sunnis. They are MediaOne and Madhyamam. MediaOne

MediaOne, a news channel founded by the Jamaat-e-Islami Hind's Kerala unit (see: website: indianexpress.com Wikipedia page: Indian express) and thus an ideological enemy of Sunnis, especially AP Sunnis as shown in the Jamaate Islamai's Madhyamam daily for Madhyamam had made the false and the dubious reports against Kanthapuram, a prominent leader of AP Sunnis. I have no links to those Malayalam newspaper reports now. Madhyamam is also under the Kerala unit of Jamaate Islami as shown here. [ see also the enmity : ( website: mathrubhumi.com Wikipedia page: Mathrubhumi) &( website: newindianexpress.com Wikipedia page: The New Indian Express )] Mediaone calls the organisation of AP Sunnis "Samastha AP group". and calls it by the full name: "Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama". You may wonder how could a such an enemy could call it so? This is by adding neutral term "Kanthapuram vibagham" (which means Kanthapuram group or Kanthapuram faction) after the full name. So we do not need to delete the article because of any valid reason.

See also: Mediaone. The URL of mediaonetv.in shown in the Wikipedia Mediaone page leads to mediaoneonline.com, the domain name of the the said article that lists name of all the 40 members of the council.

 Madhyamam 

The website of Madhyamam says Kanthapuram is general secretary of Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama.

See also: relationship of Madhyamam with Jamaat-e-Islami.

In short atleast we have to consider the stand of this group of enemies of AP Sunnis that Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama of AP Sunnis exists and that its name is Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama. Neutralhappy (talk) 09:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)


 * The website of Reporter TV also says there is Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama of AP Sunnis. Neutralhappy (talk) 14:32, 21 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment: Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama (Samstha) organization was established in 1926.In 1989, Kanthapuram A. P. Aboobacker Musliyar and some others resigned from Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama and formed a new Organization (this page).This editor (Neutralhappy) has done a lot of self-editing (WP:DE) on the Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama organization page to protect this page from the deletion discussion. A lot of WP:DE and WP:PROMO has been done on this page. COI proves it.Several factors: Recently, the editor (Neutralhappy) has been focusing only on this and making changes only on this page. Many essay have been written on this debatable topic. Like the fear of losing the page if the discussion fails, and the fear of the client demanding payment back--Ptmlp (talk) 10:32, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Notability and presence of reliable sources are to be considered for an article.
 * Relevancy:
 * AP Sunnis say that the Samastha has not split and that AP faction has not resigned from the Samastha or went out of Samastha but what according to AP Sunnis is the reorganisation of the Samastha. AP Sunnis say 11 people walked out of a meeting of Samastha and the Samastha was reorganised. All of these 11 would not be with AP Sunnis. EK Sunnis spread two opposite things: one is that they removed 6 people from Samastha and the other is that AP faction went out of Samastha. However, these things are not relevant in the creation of a article. AP Sunnis also says their Samastha is the real one. I am not paid or offered to be paid for this editing on Wikipedia. I have not written the article in the promotional tone or added POV without attributing to the respective group of people. Anyone can check the article. Please avoid writing irrelavant things. Neutralhappy (talk) 19:09, 21 July 2024 (UTC)