Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Same-sex marriage in Indonesia


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) --  Dane talk  04:43, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Same-sex marriage in Indonesia

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As per WP:NOTE - as there is no same-sex marriage in Indonesia, nobody is writing about it, except to say it shouldn't be introduced. Is there an article about synagogues in Saudi Arabia or amusement parks on the Moon? Davidelit (Talk) 04:27, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Vehemently oppose - Please visit Category:Recognition of same-sex relationships by country to see that there are tons of articles about the status of same-sex relationships in countries where they are not even recognized (including Indonesia's own neighbor, Singapore, where there are virtually no LGB rights and sodomy is still a de jure crime). You might want to propose deletion for all of them too. You are also putting absurd and false analogies, because this article is concerned with actual legal issues that are being discussed by lawyers, including the question of how Indonesian law addresses its own citizens who have performed same-sex marriage abroad and how the government would treat foreign same-sex couples who are coming to Indonesia. Mimihitam (talk) 08:06, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep if people are writing about to say it should't be introduced, then they are writing about it. Am I missing something here? - Egaoblai
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions.  MT Train Talk 13:29, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Indonesia-related deletion discussions.  MT Train Talk 13:29, 28 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep per Egaoblai and Mimihitam's arguments. there is a History of the Jews in Saudi Arabia which has a section on the modern era. Amusement parks on the moon is particularly glib, given the topic at hand. --Theredproject (talk) 15:47, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep as re-written and re-named. Having been to Indonesia and Malaysia, I saw first-hand there are gay undergrounds in both countries ("comfort stations" appear to be especially cruisy). It feels like America c. 1982, in the sense that clandestine MSM meeting sites and prostitution are (ahem) active, the media and relgious authorities routinely lambast gay sex, and HIV is a real public health issue. I was ill with "Bali belly" when there, and on a tour with straight people, so I didn't walk too closely to my Filipino partner. Every religious, class, ethnic, and sexual issue there is politicized. Recognition is widespread that same-sex relationships exist, even if gay sex is illegal de jure, discrimination is widespread, and same-sex marriage will not soon be legalized. Bearian (talk) 01:06, 3 June 2018 (UTC)


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