Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Samraat Joshua Grewal


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The result was delete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 01:10, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Samraat Joshua Grewal

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Fails WP:NPOL and WP:GNG. The only significant coverage is through one outlet (ABC) and may not be significant coverage - if not, WP:BLP1E applies along with the fact that there are not multiple RS. Other sources are primary, and a candidate is not notable. The Unshackled is a blog, hence not an RS. Christian Youth / CDU are not independent sources. &#x2230; Bellezzasolo &#x2721;  Discuss  23:56, 8 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep The Unshackled is a registered Australian Company and Minor News Network, with employees. The ABN may be acquired from the Australian Business Register. The ABC article/video is extensive coverage of the subject, with the subject participating and the video acknowledges the subjects position.


 * If time is given, till the 23 of March 2019, there will be multiple news sources on the subjects candidacy and political position, as well as past major events and rally's(That have not included in the article due to having not secondary sources)


 * Until then, the ABC source, as The Australian Broadcasting Corporation, and the Unshackled, as a registered Australian Company and minor news network should satisfy the requirements of a secondary source as the both have extensive coverage of the subject.


 * It is advised that they are viewed to see if the meet the requirement before they are contested.


 * SSaphan (talk) 00:13, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Copied from talk page. Tagged as a comment, will likely want to change that to Keep, (changed by me).  &#x2230; Bellezzasolo &#x2721;   Discuss  00:19, 9 January 2019 (UTC)


 * I do not believe this article should be deleted. There are multiple primary sources establishing the public figure, as well as secondary sources from the Australian Broad Casting Association, the Unnshackled as well as the Family World TV (Australia), a branch of Family World TV.


 * This meets the Wikipedia criteria requirement for secondary sources not related to the subject and establishes the subject notability.


 * SSaphan (talk) 00:23, 9 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment - The Unshackled is not a Reliable Source. It self-describes as a "battle front against the progressive left, SJWs and PC culture.", which ties in with their actual website's about page. This page further describes itself as blogs, effectively forming a POV SPS.I can't see anything relating to Family World TV, neither on a source search, nor indeed in a search for the existence of the outlet. &#x2230; Bellezzasolo &#x2721;   Discuss  00:30, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Apologies it's "Friends World TV" my mistake.

SSaphan (talk) 00:37, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Conceded, FriendsWorld TV is not a registered News Agency. Would it be possible to postpone the deletion of the article until the 23 March 2019, to allow for the release of Secondary Sources, News Articles?

They will be generated after the 29 of January, up until the 23 of March 2019 pertaining to the subject in regards to candidacy, position within the political party, as well as past political acitivity. This will satisfy the secondary source requirement.

SSaphan (talk) 00:40, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * If there's a likelyhood of future notability, we can Draftify the article, to which I would not be opposed. However, based on Electoral district of Mount Druitt, only the victor of the election will be notable - WP:NOTCRYSTAL is why we don't have fully fleged articles in place before notability. &#x2230; Bellezzasolo &#x2721;   Discuss  00:50, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 01:10, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Conservatism-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 01:10, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 01:10, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Acknowledged. The status of his notability isn't that of his candidacy nor noble descent, it is that of his position as the Consul/President of a political youth wing. In the near future, the said news articles to be published will be in relation to his candidacy, however they will all discuss his position within the 'Christian Democratic Party' and his status as Consul/President of the Christian Youth and any significant activities thereof.

They will serve as the secondary sources required to establish his notability based on that fact.

If that satisfy's yourself -That future sources will establish notability based on his position as Consul/President of a political youth movement- then I am in agreement to "Draftify" the article until those sources have been published and added to the article. :)

SSaphan (talk) 01:16, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NPOL, no significant coverage in reliable independent sources. A position in an organisation does not make a person notable, especially when the organisation itself is not notable per WP:ORG. See Articles for deletion/Christian Youth (Australia) Find bruce (talk) 02:16, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete: does not meet WP:NPOL; WP:TOOSOON per review of available sources. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:34, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Textbook delete. No indication of notability; one random interview with the ABC does not notability make. Extremely unlikely to gain notability from political candidacy, but if he does this can be revisited then. Frickeg (talk) 20:20, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete No indications of notability.  Fails GNG, POL.   At the very best WP:TOOSOON and WP:CRYSTAL.  Aoziwe (talk) 12:31, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Or perhaps redirect to Christian Democratic Party of Australia if Articles for deletion/Christian Youth (Australia) gets redirected to there. Aoziwe (talk) 12:36, 12 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete. Leading the youth wing of a small political party is not an automatic free pass over WP:NPOL, but the sources here aren't cutting it at getting him over WP:GNG in lieu. People do not get Wikipedia articles by speaking about themselves or other things in Q&A interviews — they get over our inclusion criteria by being the subject of sources about them, written by other people in the third person. But the media sources here all flunk exactly that test, and the rest of the footnotes are all primary sources that don't support notability at all. Bearcat (talk) 17:33, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. It appears it is TOOSOON to even argue about whether a candidate might meet NPOL or GNG. We (Australian editors at least) have tended to consider that candidates fail ONEEVENT unless/until they are elected, even of they are the endorsed candidate of a safe seat. To do otherwise would lead to a flurry of almost a thousand new articles about candidates who will mostly recede back into obscurity following the 2019 Australian federal election. --Scott Davis Talk 10:02, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Just to be clear, that's not just an Australian thing — it's the same rule everywhere, it just doesn't actually always stop unelected candidates from trying to use Wikipedia as a promotional platform. Bearcat (talk) 23:49, 14 January 2019 (UTC)


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