Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Samuel Hammond Jr.


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Orangeburg massacre. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:07, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Samuel Hammond Jr.

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Should be a redirect to the massacre, where it is covered in more detail. No notability outside the massacre. Perfect example of WP:BIO1E.  Onel 5969  TT me 10:51, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 11:01, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of North Carolina-related deletion discussions.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 11:01, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. North America1000 11:19, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of South Carolina-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:29, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Civil Rights Movement-related deletion discussions. Mitchumch (talk) 17:43, 26 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Orangeburg massacre per BIO1E. Biography with trivial biographical depth outside the event.  An independent search for reliably sourced coverage provides only the rudimentary information. • Gene93k (talk) 22:34, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Orangeburg massacre. BIO1E. Search results all connected to the massacre and article doesn't contain much that isn't in the massacre already.Icewhiz (talk) 12:28, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep or move to Draft space:   The scope of this article is identical to all four articles of murdered students Jeffrey Miller, Sandra Lee Scheuer, Allison Krause, and William Knox Schroeder known for the famous Kent State shootings in 1970.  All four of those articles are notable for one event. None of those four articles have any record of being proposed for deletion. What is the difference between the Samuel Hammond Jr. article and those four student articles? Mitchumch (talk) 18:36, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:OSE is a poor argument - and some of those victims may merit deletion as well (though on some of them, it is a harder call). The question is whether the victim has received SIGCOV divorced from the event. For our subject here, our article merely repeats the massacre article, possibly adding: "Hammond grew up with two sisters, Zenobbie Clark and Diana Carter. They called him the affectionate nickname, "Bubba." At the age of 18, Hammond began attending South Carolina State College." and "After receiving the news, his mother was so upset she had to be sedated.". With such additional content there is little merit for a spinoff from the massacre and it does not seem we are anywhere beyond WP:BIO1E. Icewhiz (talk) 18:43, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * These articles show the same problems. Whether there is significant coverage about the persons as individuals to salvage the articles is a matter for another discussion.  The Allison Krause article is a marginally better state.  As for Samuel Hammond, nobody has found significant reliably sourced biographical coverage yet. • Gene93k (talk) 20:21, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The article is a stub, not a start-class article. Transfer the article to the creator's sandbox so it can be built up. Mitchumch (talk) 21:18, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirecting as proposed will not lose any content. Any editor can restore an article from redirect if and when non-trivial RS coverage for the person can be demonstrated.  Moving to draft sets a 6-month clock for the draft to be improved or face a G13 speedy.  The biographical content independent of the event is trivial.  Keeping a draft with an unsubstantiated hope of improvement accomplishes little. • Gene93k (talk) 21:50, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Transferring the content to the creator's sandbox is an option. Doing so harms no one and nothing. Mitchumch (talk) 22:42, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Nothing is stopping you (or the creator) from doing that now, I will also note that if this closes as a redirect then the contents will be available in the prsenet article's history (on delete - it is gone. Redirect keeps the version history).Icewhiz (talk) 22:49, 26 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep definitely isn't an option. Not even close to passing the WP:GNG, outside of the WP:BIO1E threshold. Not adverse to a redirect, which it should be, except an editor decided to waste a lot of time by reverting the redirect with no explanation, hence creating an AfD discussion on a clear case of WP:BIO1E. And has been pointed out above the WP:OSE argument in this case is incredibly weak.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 23:18, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I want to transfer the article to my sandbox to retain all existing attribution of edits and any future attribution of edits. Please do not assume I will be the only editor writing on this article.  I will need to transfer this page to User:Mitchumch/sandbox1. Even if this article does not go to article space, there is no harm in transferring it to my sandbox. Mitchumch (talk) 14:19, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * See - - I attributed the two authors who actually added content.Icewhiz (talk) 14:28, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I didn't ask you to do that nor did I give you permission to add that to my sandbox. Please have an administrator remove it. Mitchumch (talk) 14:34, 27 March 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.