Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Samuel Johnson Jr.


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The result was   keep. -- Cirt (talk) 00:36, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Samuel Johnson Jr.

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Unreferenced with extraordinary claims. Bibliography is fake. Links to blog pages. HumphreyW (talk) 21:49, 30 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. References articles in a scholarly journal (with on-line copy) and in the NYT. And the "blog" in question is the official blog of the Oxford University Press, not some random scribblings on the web. I see absolutely nothing fake about this. Hqb (talk) 22:01, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep: How the heck is a biography that is sourced to reliable sources fake? Passes WP:BIO. Joe Chill (talk) 22:49, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions.  —David Eppstein (talk) 19:22, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Preconceived ideas should not be allowed to prevent an encyclopedia from accepting knowledge different from that which has "always" been "known" to be "The Truth". Neither should an encyclopedia be the space to divulge or discuss new ideas, of course. The information compiled in this small article, however, is not new. Nor is it "my opinion". This piece of information may be found in many scientific publications (of Human Science). I was as mystified "as the next man" when I found it, but I marveled and was curious enough to check on and confirm it.
 * Please refer to:
 * , where you can see the article America's First Lexicographer: Samuel Johnson Jr., 1757-1836, by Martha Jane Gibson. American Speech, Vol. 11, No. 4 (Dec., 1936), pp. 283-292. Published by: Duke University Press
 * Please refer also to The Connecticut magazine: an illustrated monthly, Volume 5, by William Farrand Felch. In, you can see part of pages 526, 529 and 531, where Johnson Jr. authorship of this first dictionary is mentioned.
 * Philological quarterly, Volume 19 By University of Iowa, pgs. 298 to 300. See part of it in
 * an electronic fac-simile of the article published in The New York Times in Oct 28, 1898, can be read as PDF here:  This last one is one of the references removed from the original article, classified as "fake reference" (one of them, but not the olny one). I agree "NY Times, 1898" sounds farfetched -- I would doubt it, too, but I would check on it before accusing the article of being "gibberish". As you may easily see, the fac-simile is under the NY Times domain itself, nytimes.com
 * There are many more. Thank you for your attention. --Betty VH (talk) 00:36, 1 May 2010 (UTC)


 * The comment by Betty VH above was moved by me from Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Samuel Johnson Jr. and reformatted to better fit this discussion page. --Hegvald (talk) 22:40, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Err, whatever do you mean by "Bibliography is fake"? The 1898 NYT reference checks out fine, for example, as does the "American speech" reference. Nsk92 (talk) 19:29, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. Unfake bibliography. StAnselm (talk) 20:35, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. As noted above, the NY Times article is a reliable source that backs up the bi(bli)ography. CronopioFlotante (talk) 20:59, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. There is a second part to Gibson's article in American Speech, Vol. 12, No. 1 (Feb., 1937), pp. 19-30. --Hegvald (talk) 22:42, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - strange but true. Bearian (talk) 17:42, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
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