Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Samuel Kalagbor


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The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 07:55, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Samuel Kalagbor

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Subject of the article is a "Doctor of Philosophy, Ph. D" (not yet a professor) and acting provost (not yet a provost). He fails WP:ACADEMIC. He fails criterion 1 as his research has not made significant impact in his scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources. He would have manage to pass criterion 5, had it been he's a full Professor. His appointment as provost (without been a professor) is an indication that a Provost is not a "Distinguished Professor" appointment, therefore fails criterion 5, perhaps the seat is reserved for a professor who will be appointed soon and probably that is why the subject of the article is acting (no reason to be hasty to have a stand-alone article). Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£ 01:29, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. &mdash;&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·E·C) 02:06, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Nigeria-related deletion discussions. &mdash;&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·E·C) 02:06, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep as subject passes WP:BIO. There's no such thing as "he's an acting" or "he is not an acting" in our policy here. The subject has been appointed by the Governor as head of a government-owned education institution. Therefore a government official. The article also meets WP:RS. Stanleytux (talk) 06:35, 12 August 2015 (UTC) User:Stanleytux is the creator of this article. Disclosure added per WP:AFDFORMAT.
 * I usually don't expect anything different from a "Speed keep", "Strong Keep", "Keep" or "merge" and sometime "redirect" vote from an article creator when their ridiculous articles get nominated for deletion through WP:AfD because editors rarely want their articles or contributions deleted. However, you need not be reminded that government officials are not inherently notable, they must meet our primary inclusion criteria and in this case WP:ACADEMIC must be satisfy. If I may ask, which of the WP:ACADEMIC criteria does your Samuel Kalagbor met? Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£ 06:54, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * A google news and book search further provides substantial evidence of notability. If you feel the article can get better, you should try to improve it and not nominate it for deletion when it is clearly about a notable person. Stanleytux (talk) 07:15, 12 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete Acting college administrators are not automatically Wikipedia notable. there would have to be  significant coverage in reliable media.  In this case, there is not.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:16, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete This is a very new article, and it seems a shame to jump on it immediately with an AfD, but I clicked on the searches offered by Stanleytux as "substantial evidence" and found only three Google entries for each. It's not that US-related sources dominated the first pages, but that there were only three sources total. If the creator of the page can find local sources that perhaps we don't find in Google and add them to the page, then I'm happy to change my !vote. If there is more work to be done on this, the creator can ask for it to be userfied, and can continue to work on it without fear of deletion. LaMona (talk) 21:44, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * , the page was created by an established editor who has the autopatrol user right. Besides, you need not be reminded that no amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability. Cheers! Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£ 21:57, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * This isn't about being automatically notable. The subject is notable and the article is supported by sources that are reliable. Major Nigerian newspapers such as The Tide, The Sun and P.M. News among others, have published content on the subject who assumed office like a couple of days ago. There's really no point deleting this article. LaMona I found these 1, 2, 3 and 4.Stanleytux (talk) 22:05, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the new links. Of those, 2 and 4 seem to have significant coverage of the appointment news. It's still hard for me to see this as encyclopedic since this is recent news, and of the nature of "new person comes in promising significant reform." It don't see support for wp:academic, as this is more about management than academics; and the management aspect is all of 2 weeks old, if I read the article 1 correctly. Essentially what we have are announcements of a new appointment. That doesn't change my !vote. LaMona (talk) 14:33, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The sources you provided centered on his appointment as "acting provost". He is not a professor and has not been confirmed as "Provost". WP:ACADEMIC isn't satisfied here. Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£ 22:17, 12 August 2015 (UTC)


 * And I'm not going to ask for it to be userfied. Stanleytux (talk) 22:07, 12 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete (changed from Keep) Amended, see below Kraxler (talk) 01:12, 25 August 2015 (UTC) passes WP:NACADEMICS # 6, which says "The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed academic post at a major academic institution or major academic society." There's also one paragraph, a mention, a mention, he was a member of the new governor's transition committee, in-depth coverage. He's been appointed only two weeks ago, we'll hear more of him, I suppose. Kraxler (talk) 01:07, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment It's only an "acting" appointment, so, no on that basis.  Moreover, it does not appear to be a "major" institution; it has only just received the authority to grant degrees - and it is not even clear what level of degree it grants.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:34, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * "Acting" or not is just a legal distinction, not something that affects notability, see Acting Governor John Tayler. The College has seven different schools for different areas taught there (engineering, management etc.) and they grant the same degrees as any other university in Nigeria. The distinction between a college and a university is that colleges focus on teaching, while universities are required to do also research. Kraxler (talk) 23:19, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ceradon ( talk •  edits ) 03:26, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete The subject does not meet WP:BASIC. Of the sources cited in the article or brought up in this discussion, six are the epitome of trivial coverage. In total they contain only these 106 words about the subject:
 * 1) "TRANSITION COMMITTEE ... Dr. Samuel Kalagbor"
 * 2) "According to the statement, Wordu would handover to Dr. Samuel Kalagbor with immediate effect."
 * 3) "He is to handover to Dr. Samuel Kalagbor with immediate effect."
 * 4) "He is to handover to Dr. Samuel Kalagbor with immediate effect."
 * 5) "In a related development, the Governor of Rivers State, Chief Nyesom Wike, has ordered the Provost of the Rivers State College of Arts and Science to hand over to Dr. Samuel Kalagbor with immediate effect."
 * 6) "Earlier in his welcome address, the Acting Provost of RIVCAS, Dr Samuel Kalagbor urged lecturers and participants of the conference to strive towards excellence in their field of endeavours."
 * The only other pieces not written by the subject,, and , are all from the same source. They are longer, but are primary sources reporting his comments with virtually no independent analysis. Kalagbor talking about Kalagbor does not establish notability.
 * Even if we assume that provost is the highest-level academic post at Rivers State College of Arts and Science (RIVCAS) - which none of the cited sources say - RIVCAS, as fine an institution as it no doubt is, is by no stretch of the imagination a significant or major university. It is a run-of-the-mill state polytechnic, "recently upgraded to award degrees", where staff and faculty have to be reminded to show up to work and teach their assigned classes . The subject does not meet criteria #5 or #6 (or any other) of WP:NACADEMICS. Worldbruce (talk) 09:01, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Refs # 7 and 8 are the same piece, from June 2015, ref # 9 is a different article from August 2015, they are both in-depth coverage of Kalagbor. The guideline NACADEMICS #6 doesn't require a "significant or major university" it says "a major academic institution" which includes any State degree awarding certified college. I'm afraid you are stretching your imagination to make something that is clearly inside the bounds of a guideline to protrude outside that limit. Kraxler (talk) 14:13, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for catching my error with sources #7 and #8. I've now corrected #8 so that they link to the two separate articles I intended. #7 is the best source of a bad bunch. It's an interview with Kalagbor about Wike's education plan. Although not about Kalagbor directly, and although it provides no in-depth information about Kalagbor, it does include limited biographical information about him - that he's an educationist, a university lecturer, and a stalwart of the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) in Rivers State. #8 and #9 are primary sources. Notability criteria WP:GNG and WP:BASIC state that sources used to establish notability should be secondary sources.
 * In paraphrasing WP:NACADEMICS, I didn't mean to draw a distinction between colleges and universities, but between major and non-major, between significant and run-of-the-mill. NACADEMICS criterion #6 says, "The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed academic post at a major academic institution" (emphasis mine). The specific criteria notes further explain, "Criterion 6 may be satisfied, for example, if the person has held the post of president or chancellor (or vice-chancellor in countries where this is the top academic post) of a significant accredited college or university ... " (emphasis again mine). One example of a major academic institution (a significant accredited college or university) would be University of Lagos. The criteria does not say that it is satisfied by "any State degree awarding certified college", and in my experience it is not applied that way. Worldbruce (talk) 16:17, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification of your understanding of the guideline. But, newspaper articles are not primary sources, they are WP:secondary sources. These articles in The Tide are not reprinted press releases, they seem to have been written by some sort of journalist, not by a college employee. Kraxler (talk) 17:16, 20 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete. Does Rivers State College of Arts and Science really count as a major academic institution? I don't think it does. -- Necrothesp (talk) 17:21, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment I truly doubt that Rivers State is a "major" institution, since it was only, "recently upgraded to award degrees." . Plus there is real doube in my mind as to whether a temporary appointment passes WP:ACADEMIC.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:54, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Comment There are multiple reasons why Samuel Kalagbor may not be suitable for inclusion. Firstly "Rivers State College of Arts and Science" is never a major academic institution in Nigeria. Secondly, this man is just an "acting provost". The "Provost" is on leave and may probably return to the seat soon or better still, another person entirely. I see no reason to be hasty to have a stand-alone article for this local and non-notable academic. Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£ 06:53, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Whether RIVCAS is a major academic institution or not, is not easily to ascertain from the sources. I would take your word for it, but that would be OR. Judging from their website, and from our list of polytechnics in Nigeria, there are only 2 polytechnics in Rivers State. Also, "major" does not mean "the biggest" or "the best". Could you say how many students are enrolled there? The sitting provost was actually removed from office by the governor, and certainly will not come back. Kalagbor was a member of the governor's tranition committee earlier this year, so I'm confident that he will stay, either acting for a long time. It's also unclear how the provost is actually chosen, or appointed. Kraxler (talk) 18:01, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, "Major" doesn't mean "the biggest" or "the best". The word "Major" means "Great in scope or effect". The oxford dictionary defined it as "great or greater". These definition makes the word "major" differs from "minor" or "ordinary" which applies to "RIVCAS". The truth is, RIVCAS is actually a minor academic institution in Nigeria. Let me also correct n impression that the sitting provost was sack. " Hillary Wordu ", the sitting provost was not sacked but was directed to " proceed on compulsory leave" per The Sun News and Today FM. To " proceed on compulsory leave" is not the same as "Sacked". "Wordu" is on leave and "Samuel" is only acting before he returns. Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£ 18:59, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, let's delete it for now, it may be WP:TOOSOON. Anytime his academic position is consolidated, or he appears more in the media, the article can be recreated. Kraxler (talk) 01:12, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Good, that's fine! Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£ 04:10, 25 August 2015 (UTC)


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