Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Samuel Robinson (Actor) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Sources were provided to meet GNG and not disputed, so even though it's a borderline NACTOR case, that doesn't matter. ansh 666 09:30, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Samuel Robinson (Actor)
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Repeatedly recreated page. Original page Samuel Robinson (actor) title locked and administrator can create it. so it would be WP:G7 Nomination. -- HindWikiConnect 22:57, 3 January 2018 (UTC) — HindWIKI (talk • contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Singer Jethu Sisodiya (talk • contribs). – Struck above comment from blocked sock per WP:SOCKSTRIKE. Sam Sailor 18:48, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Still fails WP:NACTOR. Significant coverage not found. I have tried to tag the article for speedy deletion under G4, but the CSD nomination was declined by Ivanvector. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 23:22, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
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 * pinging to comment on why Samuel Robinson (actor) was create-protected eight months after it was last recreated in April 2017. As for this page, the recreated article is significantly changed from any of the deleted versions and notes more recent developments in the actor's career, thus although the standard for inclusion may still not be met, WP:G4 does not apply as this is not an obvious case. I don't understand the nominator's rationale for WP:G7: the creator has not requested deletion. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 12:42, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * The protection was added on account of this ANI thread. Basically there was "name-gaming" by a COI/promotional editor who was trying to get the article to "stick" by recreating it under at least five different titles (the four mentioned there plus Samuel Robinson (Nigerian actor)), the most recent being 12 December of last year; the result of that was a mass-salting of all the known titles used. - The Bushranger One ping only 03:57, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I see. Well, you missed one ;) Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:37, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - the nomination is an unconvincing argument for deletion. The article was last deleted 9 months ago based primarily on arguments of quality and the author's behaviour (both arguments to avoid) and poor sourcing, with several delete !votes from users who it has since been discovered were sockpuppets. There have been developments in the actor's career in the meantime and better sources have been provided which are in-depth reports on the actor, not just passing mentions in articles about things he's been in, for example dailypost.ng and Deccan Chronicle. This is enough for WP:GNG. For WP:NACTOR, he has over several years had a handful of significant (not leading, but not apparently minor) roles in several bluelinked productions, such as Green White Green (which screened at TIFF) and Desperate Housewives Africa in which he is described as main cast. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:58, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * If kept, then perhaps the article should be moved to Samuel Robinson (actor). WP:DRV may not be necessary for this. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 19:04, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I figured that would be automatic. I presume would be fine with that, if this is kept. Conversely if this is not kept then the title should be salted. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 20:03, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with it, presuming it passes the deletion for actually being notable and, finally, non-promotional. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:24, 6 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete Article subject still fails WP:NACTOR, specificily the criteria: Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment. The article as it stands suffers from the same flaws that resulted in it being deleted per Articles_for_deletion/Samuel_Robinson_(actor).--SamHolt6 (talk) 07:43, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep The subject of this article is very notable in India. As an Actor, he has received much acclaim in his country and in India. -AhamBrahmasmi (talk) 19:20, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
 * KEEP This is an article about a Nigerian Actor who has received national and international acclaim. He is also in an award winning film that screened at Tiff Green White Green (at TIFF). This satisfies WP:NACTOR. Am i missing something obvious? IgorGunther (talk)14:20, 6 January 2018 (UTC) — IgorGunther (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Note that User:IgorGunther has now been indeffed as a sock account of User:Sam3346, who created several of the articles about Robinson.--SamHolt6 (talk) 16:02, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Vote struck. –Ammarpad (talk) 16:07, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Neutral Weak Delete: Based on my personal standard (which is obviously inspired from Wikipedia guidelines), all things being equal, I need an actor to have have had main roles in at least three films/series before being automatically eligible to pass the specific notability guidelines for actors. I will analyze the filmography of Samuel Robinson below:
 * Keep. Although overzealousness of previous version creators and socking tainted this article; there's evidence the subject passes WP:GNG by having been recognized actor in two countries, receiving coverage from multiple sources and at the same time passes WP:NACTOR for having acted in multiple notable movies in these countries as well as been in the news both in India and in Nigeria (as below sources will show). Moreover, careful analysis of the previous AfDs will bare the weakness of the delete !voters who failed to address the sources the sock provided. Had it been written by exprienced editor in good standing, it is clear the previous "delete not notable" votes cannot win over him. The same thing here, nobody is countering sources provided by Ivanvector, in addition to, , , , , and add to those already in the article.. It is also noteworthy almost all the films where he acted have their own wikipedia articles, and it needs no repeating, movies more often than not, get their notability from the people who acted in them not otherwise. I am the one also who opened the SPI which lead to blocking of the above sock, but the Check user confirmed the creator of this version has no relation to previous to this sock or all previous ones–hence not blocked. Also Admin above confirmed this version is different from the previous one. Finally there's no convincing, evidenced-based, policy-backed deletion rationale. The only vague reason is that is recreated which is ironically opposite to what policy say. It is within policy to recreate previously deleted article once the subject reach higher status or achievement, and to repeat myself; Check user confirmed the creator of this version is unrelated to the sock, not only on one occasion but on two different SPI investigations: First SPI here closed by  and second SPI here closed by the same Check user. Note: After I wrote this, the two cases where merged into one, so these links will now lead to the same case page.. –Ammarpad (talk) 16:13, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
 * 8 Bars & A Clef - not a major role, he played a younger version of a main cast.
 * Green White Green - major role (1)
 * Sudani from Nigeria - not yet released
 * Tinsel (TV series) - Has a lot of ensemble cast. Samuel Robinson will not be in my top 20 actors that have starred in it based on the relevance of their roles to the series. I am a strong fan of this series btw.
 * Shuga Naija - not a main/major or even significant cast. this can't be counted as having the slightest ability to confer notability on him.
 * Desperate Housewives Africa - main role (2) He had a minor role in the series, the regular editor that created the article didn't even include him as a cast-member. It was this same Sam3346 that added him as a main cast. Information online that included the main cast of the series didn't even mention his name 1, 2. This man is all out to promote himself, he even commented on the BellaNaija reference.
 * The Middleman - information online does not signify that he was a main cast. imdb alone is not sufficient.
 * The Governor - far from being a main cast in this series
 * Playing Victim - far from being a main cast in this film

From the above, he needs a main role in two more films to meet my standard (gotten from the text from WP:NACTOR, which says an actor must have "main roles in multiple notable films"). I am also irritated by the persistence displayed by the article creators, they are trying to show that they can do what they like here and get away with it. If he had gotten nominated for some of the numerous film awards in Nigeria, I would have used that to support his filmography then vote weak keep, but presently I see this as a case of WP:TOOSOON, since he's even just 18 years old. HandsomeBoy (talk) 21:50, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Keep Hello @HandsomeBoy I am also a Nigerian. This Actor played the Governor's Son Toju on a TV show about the dynamics of a family's relationship while handling Politics, called The Governor. The company which produced the show (Ebony Life Tv) listed him as a Main Character in the series on their website ebony lifetime.com/the-governor. I was a big fan of the show. 2,He played Tekena in Playing Victim, a movie about a boy who reunited with his estranged dad (Femi Branch) on the internet. He was the main key Character in this movie, Though there is little or no online press about it, it was televised and still is,  on Africa Magic; a popular Nigerian Channel. In Desperate Housewives Africa,which is the African adaptation of the Popular American Show Desperate Housewives, he played Akin Bello who is the African equivalent of Zach Young on the American Version. Zach Young is listed as a significant Character in the series as there are several important storylines centered around his character. I stumbled upon this discussion when I was researching the Actor for an interview and saw Page issues on an article about him here. I probably should add that this actor is also verified on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter who deemed him notable enough. Facebook.com/samuelabiolarobinson Instagram.com/samuelabiolarobinson

Twitter.com/samuelrobinsonx

This is just my opinion; That he is 18years old or not should not be the basis of judging his notability or lack thereof. He has made significant contributions to the Nigerian film Industry and other Industries Abroad apparently. Judging this based on age is unfair and regressive.

I am not a Wikipedia person, I may have Google tips on how to edit this page and my opinion may not matter much here but I understand the condescension of judging an acclaimed person by age because it's similar to playing my achievements down as a woman. I do not think it is too soon for this article as there are several other articles that do not meet half the validity of this one and are not considered too soon to be on Wikipedia. See Jemima Osunde, Lola Margaret, Shannon George to mention a few. This is my opinion. I mean no disrespect to anyone. Sarah — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.190.3.246 (talk) 13:30, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * @Sarah (ip user) My mentioning his age was not to belittle his achievement but to demonstrate that his career in Nollywood was still fairly new. Additionally, social media verification counts for nothing in assessing notability. There are many Nigerians with large followings verified on Facebook, Twitter and IG; who aren't notable for inclusion on WP. Furthermore, word-of-mouth means little on Wikipedia, especially not from an ip user. I provided independent links that contains information on the main cast on all the films and series he had acted in; the way to counter my argument is to provide opposing references that contains his name as a lead cast-member. You can't just say he was a main cast, and expect everyone to believe you. Considering the level of sockpuppetry associated with this actor, I find it difficult to believe you had no pre-knowledge to this discussion.


 * Before participating in any AFD, especially one that I want to vote delete, I do a considerable about of research, and I am generally consider myself an inclusionist for Nollywood articles. Let me also add that as an editor that is very sensitive to systematic bias, this only applies for Nigerian actors/films that were released/active before 2010s. Samuel started his career in year 2013, so if he was a notable actor already, there will be several coverage to show that he has starred in lead roles in multiple films.


 * Concerning The Governor, all the independent sources that cover the series do not mention his name at all. See 1,2. On the primary website, this is empty; this gave a brief description of all actors that acted in the series, but nothing to show significant. At best, he's just a promising young actor. Even if I am to include this series as him having a lead role in it (which is false from the independent souces that didn't even mention his name), it will make it just two; still doesn't meet my standard of 3 films. My votes are based on WP:NACTOR, I haven't looked at WP:GNG, but I doubt he will have gotten significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. If you want to counter any of my claim on lead roles, please reply me with references on the film/series that mentions his name.


 * Finally, if you think there are existing articles that does not meet the notability guidelines for actors, feel free to nominate for deletion. But remember to review WP:ANYBIO, WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG before taking that step.


 * Comment I've restored the G4 tag as this current version is not too different from this, and was deleted and salted from creation only two moths ago. I will have to agree with darreg that this guy is not notable yet. This can be userfied to darreg's 's page (if he want's) as he's an expert in creating articles about Nigerian actors/actress and I trust would not have a problem doing justice to this when the subject becomes notable. I also suggest that all articles salted to be reduced to EC creation as he's on the verge of notability and all previous creators were not EC. This would reduce the burden on future appropriate creation. Regards, Mahveotm (talk) 22:26, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * As noted up the thread, I declined speedy deletion because the recreation is not substantially similar to the deleted article. Please don't add the tag back again. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 01:04, 12 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Weak keep - I'm basing my vote on the fact that according to this article he's the first black actor to co-star in an Indian film. Indian bias against dark skin is well known.  However, since it's not out yet, it's WP:TOOSOON. But, if this is deleted, it will be salted; hence, a weak vote to preserve this until the film's release. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  00:24, 12 January 2018 (UTC)


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