Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/San Antonio High School Football Records


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 20:14, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

San Antonio High School Football Records

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Fails WP:NLIST. Notability guidelines also apply to the creation of stand-alone lists and tables. Notability of lists (whether titled as "List of Xs" or "Xs") is based on the group. One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; notable list topics are appropriate for a stand-alone list. The entirety of the list does not need to be documented in sources for notability, only that the grouping or set in general has been. Because the group or set is notable, the individual items in the list do not need to be independently notable...

A list of records at a particular high school is not notable and is also very difficult to maintain, as it is very unlikely that every performance is documented in a reliable source. Note that reliable sources are required for each entry even though notability sources are not required for each entry. The difference is that reliable sources might not be in-depth, and may not even be independent, to establish the facts needed for the list. Notability sources, needed for the overall list, need to be independent and in-depth. — rsjaffe 🗣️ 23:21, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Schools, Sports,  and Lists. — rsjaffe 🗣️ 23:21, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong delete. Textbook example of WP:FANCRUFT. Ajf773 (talk) 00:37, 14 June 2022 (UTC)


 * references have been posted correctly. Mjmja5 (talk) 00:55, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Similar to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIAA_football_records#Defense Mjmja5 (talk) 01:00, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * See WP:WAX for an explanation as to why that is not relevant to this decision. — rsjaffe 🗣️ 01:16, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Understand....but it's the same category....just different state. Mjmja5 (talk) 03:34, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * This is a list of football records for high schools in the San Antonio, TX area...not one particular high school. Mjmja5 (talk) 01:27, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * please advise how page can be corrected to avoid deletion. Mjmja5 (talk) 01:28, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * My delete vote stands, this is not what Wikipedia is for. WP:NOTSTATS WP:NLIST policy take precedence here. Ajf773 (talk) 10:56, 14 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete although I don't know about "Strong" delete. The article creator attempted to add citations for a subject of some interest, although from what looks likes two (and only two) sources that don't themselves list their sources, so are presumed to be...primary sources?...(it's unclear).  This clearly doesn't pass Wikipedia's guidelines for citation (WP:C) and verifiability (WP:V), which require an article to be the subject of significant coverage in multiple editorially-controlled secondary sources in order to be considered notable (WP:N).  But that said, this feels like a newer editor trying to create an appropriate article and I'm seeing what seem like good-faith questions from said editor here asking how to improve the article.  User:Mjmja5, in order for this article to be preserved, you would have to find sources that demonstrate that this list is significant beyond local interest in that area, generally by finding articles in secondary sources (i.e. newspapers, magazines or notable internet news sites) that have covered this topic significantly.  If you can find examples of those kinds of sources (and it would have to be more than just one), that will go a huge way toward determining a positive outcome of this AfD.  -Markeer 01:44, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks.....I used this page as a reference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIAA_football_records
 * It's the same category Mjmja5 (talk) 03:38, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:FANCRUFT, that doesn't demonstrate the need for a separate article, per WP:NLIST and WP:GNG. These are reasons for deletion, the existence of some other similar page is not a valid reason to keep this, as per WP:OSE. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:28, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - no demonstration of meeting WP:NLIST. A list of a self defined topic, with no clear boundry (does this include suburban schools? If some schools in a class or conference are in San Antonio and some aren't?), your source quality varies from no source, mainly sources that don't come close to WP:RS. Primarily I view this as WP:OR FANCRUFT, in violation of WP:NOTWEBHOST. As far as the article's creator's question, there's nothing you can do to save the article. It is beyond the scope of an encyclopedia.  My serious suggestion would be copy it now and purchase a website. It's cheaper than you might think. 174.212.228.43 (talk) 05:00, 15 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete I don't see it anything more than a trivia. NavjotSR (talk) 05:15, 18 June 2022 (UTC)


 * https://sanantoniofootballrecords.blogspot.com/ Mjmja5 (talk) 23:07, 19 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Not acceptable per WP:RS. NavjotSR (talk) 04:27, 20 June 2022 (UTC)


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