Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/San Antonio Steers (2nd nomination)


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The result was redirect to National Indoor Football League. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 02:31, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

San Antonio Steers
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No indication of meeting WP:GNG. I would suggest redirecting to National Indoor Football League, the league that this team played in. Searching online, I wasn't able to find any additional coverage. signed,Rosguill talk 23:02, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
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 * Restore the redirect to the league (was undone twice) - this has already been deleted once and doesn't pass WP:GNG. SportingFlyer  T · C  23:10, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

This team played in the NIFL and has sources from www.oursportscentral.com.......why would it be deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjmja5 (talk • contribs) 03:22, 23 April 2020 (UTC) Keep

Are you saying this team was not in the NIFL?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjmja5 (talk • contribs) 03:25, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Another reference from the Houston Chronicle added https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/woodlands-sports/article/Garza-pleased-to-be-part-of-Conroe-Storm-s-success-1836727.php — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjmja5 (talk • contribs) 04:40, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Article has been improved and new references included. Youtube videos included as well I again vote to '''keep. '''

FOX NEWS story on the San Antonio Steers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4cLieNtT6o

CBS NEWS story on the San Antonio Steers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4cLieNtT6o

Should suffice for additional coverage, along with other references to Keep the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjmja5 (talk • contribs) 17:25, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not swayed by these additional sources. The Chron article barely even mentions the team other than to say that they have an upcoming game, and refers to them as "The San Antonio Steer". The Youtube videos are the same video twice, and are clearly marked as promotional. Also, while you are welcome to make additional comments, please refrain from voting more than once. signed,Rosguill talk 17:34, 24 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Redirect to National Indoor Football League. This was a very short-lived expansion team. According to this source, 12 of 13 games scheduled for 2007 were cancelled, and the one game played (against a team from Beaumont) resulted in a 62-0 loss. WP:GNG refers to significant coverage in independent, reliable sources, and I tend to agree with Rosguill that the sources furnished thus far are insufficient. The Fox News story is a start, but even it describes the 2007 game(s) as "exhibition games" (at the 1:24 mark here) with the plan to field a real team in 2008 (though that apparently never materialized). Appears this was more of a dream/aspiration than a real professional football organization. Also, a search of Newspapers.com turned up zero in coverage of the team. Cbl62 (talk) 23:38, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to National Indoor Football League, as a team that doesn't have notability but is a search term. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs )~ 15:51, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Here is the CBS story https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wADWzoCglWo&t=72s

I don't understand why it matters how many games the team played in this floundering league. The team played in the league before folding. 80% of the teams folded in 2007, the last year of the NIFL. The team did play in the league, why should the page be redirected as if it didn't exist?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjmja5 (talk • contribs) 19:34, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
 * We don't create Wikipedia articles just because something exists, we create them if enough independent, reliable coverage exists of the subject to be able to write a full-fledged article without relying on original research. This standard is codified at WP:GNG. If a team has barely played any games, the likelihood that independent sources have written significant coverage of them is really, really low. As for the CBS spot, that video is literally called "NIFL pro football San Antonio Steers CBS promo"––it's a promotional spot and not independent coverage that we can use. signed,Rosguill talk 19:40, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tucson_Mirage — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjmja5 (talk • contribs) 03:35, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERSTUFF, but thanks for pointing out the article, it should be a redirect too. signed,Rosguill talk 04:12, 26 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Redirect to National Indoor Football League, per all above. Ejgreen77 (talk) 05:45, 27 April 2020 (UTC)


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