Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/San Bernardino punk riot


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The result was keep (non-admin closure). Sir Sputnik (talk) 01:37, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

San Bernardino punk riot

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From the way this article presents itself, and from what I've heard about this incident (which is zilch if you exclude this article), there doesn't appear to be any notability or lasting significance to said incident. Parsley Man (talk) 06:14, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
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 * Delete The event occurred, although I cannot find enough attention paid to it to justify having an article.  There was an AP story that ran in USA Today: . Fails WP:SIGCOV.E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:53, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Also covered by LA Times, mentioned in NY Times Thisisnotatest (talk) 05:36, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * User:Thisisnotatest, have you found any discussion of it published in the years since 2006?E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:34, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * E.M.Gregory, no, but my understanding of Wikipedia policy is that notability is permanent. Thisisnotatest (talk) 17:44, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * User:Thisisnotatest it is certainly true that the notability of an event is WP:NOTTEMPORARY. However, the notability has to be established, which, with something like a riot, requires "significant coverage" (see: WP:NOTTEMPORARY and WP:SIGCOV) as laid out at WP:NEWSEVENT.  At AFD, it is usually necessary to demonstrate WP:INDEPTH, and/or WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE. WP:NCRIME is also a useful guideline. It seems likely to me that this riot, involving, as it did 200 riot police, stabbings, clashes between 2 types of skinheads, arrests, and the shutting down of a large music festival is likely to have generated coverage beyond the daily news cycle to which it is sourced.  I looked, but I am not especially familiar with the punk scene and perhaps I did not use effective keywords.  If you or someone can locate in-depth or coverage in later years, feel free to flag me to take another look.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:15, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep Reversing my opinon as a result of a news archive search I just ran on Proquest. keywords: "San Bernardino" + 2k6 turned up extensive coverage of the riot and its impact (cost; property damage; policy regarding security at concerts; fate of venue) in several California papers in the months and in the years after this riot occurred.  My first, quick searches were too shallow.  The event was notable.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:24, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:37, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - notable event. plenty of sources. BabbaQ (talk) 14:57, 22 January 2016 (UTC)


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