Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/San Diego Film Critics Society


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The result was keep. Tone 19:26, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

San Diego Film Critics Society

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Fails WP:ORG. Lots of mentions but a lack of in-depth coverage in independent sources. Their main claim to notability would seem to be the San Diego Film Critics Society Awards, but these fail WP:GNG, again with a lack of in-depth coverage. --Pontificalibus 09:22, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. --Pontificalibus  09:22, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 09:38, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 09:38, 6 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment: There are a number of organizations like this, listed in American film critic org. Their main purpose is to hold awards ceremonies, basically low-cost TV content. The ceremonies get enough media coverage to be notable, as do most TV shows. The individual awards are discussed by sources on the awardee. It seems a bit odd to say that San Diego Film Critics Society Awards 2002 etc are notable, but not the article on the parent organization. Aymatth2 (talk) 19:04, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
 * As it happens I don't think their awards are notable either, lots of passing mentions but nothing discussing them in detail. Perhaps I should have nominated one or more award articles first from Category:San Diego Film Critics Society Awards. In any case notability is not inherited, so regardless of whether the awards are notable, if the organisation behind them is not then this should be deleted.Pontificalibus 08:58, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The annual ceremonies are definitely notable. Several newspapers and magazines will cover each of them in detail. "Dressed in a stunning strapless red gown by Oscar de la Renta, she fought back tears as she thanked her parents, without whom none of this would have been possible." Some readers are likely to want background about the awards in general: who gives them out, when they started, who sponsors them, how important they are, that sort of thing. An article on San Diego Film Critics Society Awards could give that, derived from the sources that discuss each ceremony. Aymatth2 (talk) 12:55, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I really don't think these annual awards ceremonies are notable at all. I haven't found signifiant coverage, just listings and an occasional press release. It follows that this organisation is also not notable.Pontificalibus 13:19, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Maybe you are not checking the right sources. They can be found beside the check-out lane in the supermarket. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:30, 9 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep (weakly) mainly because I don't know this is the right approach. I could argue try to argue GNG with sources with trade pubs/sites like Variety and IndieWire continuously reporting on the awards selections, but I'm guessing that is what the nominator is seeing already and discounting. I can't really support delete, but maybe there is a solution to be found outside AfD? I don't want to say WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, but as  pointed out with the critic navbox template above, with all these societies or associations, picking one from the bunch seems...premature?  There are even more critics societies than those in the navbox popping up, so having one for every page is obviously not the solution, either.  Surely some are more notable than others, but perhaps setting up some minimum criteria at the higher lever and then flowing down from there would be more appropriate.  Perhaps some kind of consensus can be reached at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film/Film awards task force?  If not, then maybe each society would have to be individually assessed, that just doesn't seem like the right approach.  I do have to say that it feels like this is approaching fandom territory for people that enjoy tracking the awards season in general (e.g. https://hub.awardscircuit.com/chart and https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/awards-leaderboard-top-movies-of-2019/ ), but that seems like more basis to take it to a WikiProject page (at least in hopes of establishing something), before returning here. As to the WP:NOTINHERITED argument, I don't think that is really applicable here because it is more of a page structure decision than anything else to be consistent with other similar awards.  Separating the award from the issuing society is not to suggest the award is more/less/equally notable when compared with the society, this is clearly a formatting decision to maintain manageable page sizes and navigation given that a WP:SPINOUT is much more user-friendly, after all WP:NOTPAPER. -2pou (talk) 23:58, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as a valid split from the notable awards articles, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 22:52, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Both the society and the individual awards are more than sufficiently covered to pass Wikipedia's notability standards. — Hunter Kahn 01:03, 13 January 2020 (UTC)


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