Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/San Haven, North Dakota


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The result was '''Keep, but move, which I will do on close. It appears San Haven State Hospital has slightly broader consensus as of the moment. No objection to a rename to San Haven Sanatorium should sourcing support that.'''. Star  Mississippi  23:26, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

San Haven, North Dakota

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This is not a town where there was a sanatorium; it was the sanatorium itself, as one of the references used makes clear. It's not terribly surprising that it had its own post office at one point, but evidence for this surrounding town is completely lacking. The sanatorium itself very well might be notable, but that's a different article; if that's what people agree on, I wouldn't oppose a move to the correct name for it. Mangoe (talk) 19:11, 13 January 2022 (UTC) *Oppose move - San Haven Sanatorium fails WP:GNG/WP:CORP due to lack of significant coverage in reliable sources, failure to meet audience requirements of WP:CORP. The only sources provided are a 38-word mention in a local newspaper (half of which is the meaning of the name) and a passing mention in a list of post offices. At least two instances of significant coverage in reliable sources, one of which must not be local, are needed, but none are presented here. FOARP (talk) 10:40, 16 January 2022 (UTC) (flip to support move)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:16, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of North Dakota-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:16, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
 * What is the proper name? If it is not the current name then the solution is simply move the page and delete the first line which is the usual inaccurate nonsense from GNIS. SpinningSpark 19:49, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Move (see below) Delete - GNIS spam combined with a single-short-para newspaper article saying it has no population, and an entry in a list of post offices. Fails WP:GEOLAND#1 for lack of legal recognition, fails WP:GNG for lack of significant coverage. The real town this is in is Dunseith, North Dakota, a legally-recognised city for which we already have an article (albeit an algorithm-create one by Rambot). This is not an "unincorporated community", it's a wrecked sanatorium which, as the story says, is private property and not occupied. Yet another example of why just having a post-office does not mean there was any kind of community at the site. No point in the redirect as this isn't a likely search term either for the county or for Dunseith. FOARP (talk) 10:10, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Move to San Haven Sanatorium. I've now removed the erroneous GNIS information which just leaves an article that is entirely about the sanatorium. SpinningSpark 10:34, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, there's North Dakota's Fight Against the White Plague: The History of Tuberculosis and San Haven: the North Dakota Tuberculosis Sanatorium, although it's unclear who the publisher is. SpinningSpark 10:58, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * There is a LOT of web coverage, particular regarding its reputation for ghosts . This is as much about an abandoned structure as about an organisation. Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 11:44, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * A manuscript/archival material according to WorldCat, with no ISBN. Looks like self-published. There’s an obituary online for a Scott Wagar who looks like they might have been the author (lived in North Dakota), but it doesn’t mentioned any published books. Need something more than this. FOARP (talk) 11:52, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Re the web sources - Hot 97 probably just qualifies as a WP:Newsorg but what about the others? FOARP (talk) 11:56, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * There's an article in the Bismarck Tribune. That should count as reliable. <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 12:55, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Seems that isn't actually a story about it though - it's a photo from an interview with the authors of an apparently self-published book about haunted places in North Dakota. The article does feature some information about the sanatorium (less than 100 words on it, of which most can be summarised as "it's spooky") but I don't think it rises to the level of WP:SIGCOV. It does say that the North Dakota State Historical Society has provided some information about it, so maybe there's some information there? I think this is close but not quite there yet. FOARP (talk) 18:09, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... searching for "San Haven State Hospital" brings up this report and this story that at least appears to have been run in news papers. OK, I support the move.FOARP (talk) 18:15, 16 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Move to San Haven Sanatorium or San Haven State Hospital, recasting lead, per https://www.history.nd.gov/archives/stateagencies/sanhaven.html Djflem (talk) 14:05, 17 January 2022 (UTC)


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