Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sand Castles: A Story of Family and Tragedy


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The result was   delete. KTC (talk) 01:43, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Sand Castles: A Story of Family and Tragedy

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Promotional piece on future film lacking significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Sourced by a mix of press release, local boy does stuff puff pieces, passing mentions and listings. duffbeerforme (talk) 11:27, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:07, 5 January 2013 (UTC)




 * Delete without prejudice as being somewhat WP:TOOSOON. Article tells us this film is slated for release in Novemner 2013, and while there is some available about this film's production and filming, there is really not enough to qualify this as an exception to WP:NFF. When closer to release, there may likely be enough... but for now, nope. Definitely enough for its current mention in the Jordon Hodges article (where we learn it might be out in early 2014), but not for a separate article. Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 22:45, 5 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I am an Executive of Oceanus Pictures, as I explained before to the user, when you're an independent film, there are different release dates depending on which film festival you go to. If we end up going to Toronto then release will be 2013 if we go to Sundance it will be 2014. We have made the edit on Actor Jordon Hodges page. No reason to delete a legitimate movie just to be active. I do believe you are wrong in this situation & I respect your willingness to get the right information out there. Please let us know any info you would like and we will get on it. We do not want anymore issues with something so simple again, as it takes too much time when we are in full blown post-production and marketing starting soon. ( KonstantineUO (talk) 00:43, 7 January 2013 (UTC) ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by KonstantineUO (talk • contribs) 00:12, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello, we include articles about films on Wikipedia when they meet notability guidelines. We have general notability guidelines and notability guidelines for films (including future films). Per the guidelines, if this film "has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject", then a stand-alone article is warranted. It is completely possible for this film to become notable on a later date; deletion is not permanent. Let me know if you have any questions! :) Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 01:13, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per MichaelQSchmidt's assessment with no issue revisiting this topic's notability in the near future. Perhaps it is worth userfying the article, though those involved with the film should consider WP:COI. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 01:13, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Another reason for deletion - inclusion on Wikipedia is part of their marketing strategy. "That is part of a marketing game plan.". duffbeerforme (talk) 08:28, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete: non-notable film as yet. This article's main editor has said Also we have not put it on Indie Wire, or any major publication on purpose. That is part of a marketing game plan. It's on IMDb, Wiki, we have a website, all we want for now., in other words the Wikipedia article is considered as part of their "marketing game plan". No, this is an encyclopedia, not a bill-board. Pam  D  08:49, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * User:KonstantineUO wrote me on my talk page. I responded there and am posting my response here as well....
 * To KonstantineUO: With you being an executive at Oceanus Pictures, I would ask that you review WP:COI and how concerns about conflict of interest are somewhat clarified at WP:PRIMER. Toward your wishing it be written of in Wikipedia as part of your promotional campaign, I would strongly urge you read WP:NOTADVERTISING. We are not to be used as a means of promotion of self or of products.  Now I have no doubt that the project exists, is filming, and has a hoped-for release in late 2013... and though you may have corrected the planned release dates in this and related articles, what IS required for inclusion within Wikipedia, is that the film topic itself be written of in reliable sources somewhere else first. IE: it needs to be the recipient of significant coverage in multiple reliable sources in order to be determinable as notable enough for Wikipedia. Your film topic, as "notable" as it could maybe be in 12 months, is currently premature for us.   Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 22:26, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
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