Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sandbox/Checkers


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was no consensus. The votes are: 10 to delete (including the nominator); 8 to keep; 2 to move; and 1 to merge. -- BD2412 talk 02:51, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

Sandbox/Checkers
This is the sandbox, a place to test your edits when new to wikipedia, which is an encyclopedia, not a game place. Games have no place here, and with the speed this site has been lately, we don't need useless games taking more bandwidth. Plenty of free checkers online. Elfguy 4 July 2005 15:39 (UTC)


 * Strong keep. See the precedent - Votes for deletion/Chess championship, which was kept. It's a reasonable community-building activity. "Free chess online" doesn't suit for one, the activity in question isn't chess, and secondly, it would defeat the whole point of community building. -- Natalinasmpf 4 July 2005 15:54 (UTC)
 * Delete, agree that it's not a worthwhile use of resources here james gibbon  4 July 2005 16:43 (UTC)
 * Extremely Strong Keep- This is a vital sub-department of the Department of Fun! :-) Seriously, all of these are harmless, wiki-stress relieving, community-building activities. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 4 July 2005 16:44 (UTC)
 * This dillitues the goals of the project - Wikipedia is not a platform for gaming. Jimbo has offered to put them on Wikicities. Move them and delete. &rarr;Raul654 July 4, 2005 17:17 (UTC)
 * Comment. Voters should also be aware of the discussion at Votes for deletion/Checkers and in particular, the list message by User:Eloquence linked to by User:Angela which posits that all wikigames should be Wikipedia namespace and not the sandbox, where, he believes, games get a wrongful immunity against VfD. Double Blue  (Talk) 4 July 2005 17:21 (UTC)
 * Keep. Wikipedia gets too serious sometimes. There needs to be a place to have fun. — Bcat (talk | email) 4 July 2005 18:25 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is getting a slippery slope. I can see that it's fun and, of course, I don't object to a few people playing a game in their userspace or in the sandbox, but we shouldn't get to a point were the games interfere with the encyclopedia building (e.g. by making the site slower, complicating RC patrol because of higher volume of changes). If we are going to keep these games, these VfDs will become a precedent and it will become more difficult to limit the amount of "fun" pages that do not help the encyclopedia-building-aspect of Wikipedia. Games should be hosted elsewhere. Sietse 4 July 2005 18:48 (UTC)
 * Keep, community-building enhances encyclopedia-building. Kappa 4 July 2005 21:08 (UTC)
 * Merge to Checkers. Double Blue  (Talk) 4 July 2005 21:15 (UTC)
 * Delete per &rarr;Raul654. --Scimitar 4 July 2005 21:28 (UTC)
 * Move & Projectfy at Department of fun, unless this creates a significant draw of Wikipedia resources. We are here for fun - one way or another - and this helps integrate the community just as real life meetings, noticeboards, mailing lists, etc. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 4 July 2005 22:51 (UTC)
 * Move to Draughts. ;) Dunc|&#9786; 4 July 2005 23:15 (UTC)
 * Keep NSR (talk) 5 July 2005 00:41 (UTC)
 * Delete obviously. We have enough trouble proving to people that this is a serious project without all this crap. Danny 5 July 2005 00:44 (UTC)
 * Strong delete, WP:NOT a gameserver. &mdash; Phil Welch 5 July 2005 04:51 (UTC)
 * Comment. By your logic, let's delete BJAODN and the department of fun, then? -- Natalinasmpf 5 July 2005 05:10 (UTC)


 * Keep - not a valid criterion for deletion. Whether or not fun and games belong on Wikipedia is a policy issue, not a VfD issue.  A good argument was made on the mailing list, but the mailing list has no official status and that discussion was not brought up here. Guettarda 5 July 2005 05:36 (UTC)
 * Delete -- The sandbox isn't an appropriate place for games of this type. All content in the sandbox should be routinely cleared and deleted, including subfolders, regardless of the content. The sandbox by nature is a temporary testing space for new users to experiment and not a resource for creating wikigames or sub-communities. I also note Wikigames has been redirected to What Wikipedia is not. I'm not against Wikigames as such, but I am against hiding them within subfolders of the Wikipedia sandbox. -- Longhair | Talk 6 July 2005 12:14 (UTC)
 * Delete. As per my vote at Votes for deletion/Checkers, this should not be in the sandbox. Angela. July 7, 2005 05:55 (UTC)
 * Delete. Nonencyclopedic. Wiki editors all know how to find recreational activities elsewhere on the Internet. And if we keep this one, what would be the argument against offering every other sort of game here? carmeld1 8 July 2005 00:29 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep Wikipedia is a community. Now, while I don't travel to the checkes or hang etc I do go the chess. It is a nice way to relax after dealing with vandals, and stupid debates over a sentence in the entire article. That said, this is just a way to relax and its a SANDBOX. Perhaps we shouldn't have any SANDBOX then. :) There is the trivia game and other things as well. If anything this helps bring interest to wikipedia. Falphin 8 July 2005 16:47 (UTC)
 * Delete. Yes it's fun, and it builds community, but we need to draw the line somewhere, and after having read Eloquence's posting on the mailing list, it seems to me to be the appropriate action here. Enochlau 15:13, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong keep Good for testing formatting, etc. as part of the sandbox. Y0u (Y0ur talk page) (Y0ur contributions) 21:22, July 13, 2005 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.