Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sandee Westgate (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was KEEP. postdlf (talk) 02:09, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Sandee Westgate
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Being a Playboy playmate does not make you notable. Being chosen Playmate of the Month or Playmate of the Year is not an award: It's a strategic commercial decision made by Playboy Corporation about how to better commercialize it products. Regardless of how much some Wikipedians love Playmates, we should write articles about them only when they were covered by independent third part sources. Also, texts solely related to their playmatehood are not the kind non-trivial coverage asked by the general notability criteria. Damiens .rf 02:00, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Please not that the same bio has been previously deleted on the same grounds for 4 times. WP:CSD_G4 applies here. --Damiens .rf 02:04, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. Clearly not a G4, because the article now includes assertions of recent awards/nominations that some users argue show notability under WP:PORNBIO. The article raises multiple issues that can't be handled well in the context in which it's been nominated, and it would be better if the nomination was withdrawn and raised again, separately, when the current run has been disposed of, Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 03:12, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - Between her work as a frequent film critic and many awards through her modeling/starring there is little question she is a notable figure. BelloWello (talk) 05:05, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Passes WP:PORNBIO. Epbr123 (talk) 11:04, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * How so? --Damiens .rf 12:29, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Per "Has received nominations for well-known awards in multiple years." So, Keep per the above.  Lugnuts  (talk) 13:27, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Two AVN nominations (one of them a collective nomination) and a Favorite Breasts F.A.M.E nomination. If this is enough for WP:PORNBIO, I'll have to concede. --Damiens .rf 13:42, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:49, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  —• Gene93k (talk) 22:49, 28 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep has multiple porn nominations. Dwanyewest (talk) 23:45, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - per PORNBIO. Obvious nominator did not read the article WP:BEFORE nominating considering subject is not a playmate. Morbidthoughts (talk) 22:01, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - per incorrect nom. She was never a playmate to being with, so this nomination appears to be in error (part of a mass nom).--Milowent • talkblp-r  00:55, 4 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Procedural Keep - The use of automated tools for mass deletions should not be allowed against large blocks of articles which have already been patrolled at New Pages. It is, simply put, a violation of WP:BEFORE — due diligence is not being done when these tools are being used in this way. "Shoot them all and let the saps at AfD sort them out," is apparently the line of thinking. While I am personally sympathetic to the idea of a very high bar for so-called "Porn Bios," this blasting of 100 articles at the rate of 1 per minute, judging from the time logs, is not conducive to the spirit or practice of AfD. It is putting WP:I DON'T LIKE IT ahead of the established article deletion process and is disrespectful both to the work of article creators and those of us who volunteer our time at AfD. We have seen similar automated mass annihilation efforts recently against modern Trotskyist political organizations and against fraternities and sororities. The net result of these efforts was a lot of lost time by article creators and AfD participants and a lot of lost information from those articles annihilated as part of these campaigns. Meanwhile, the backlog of crap at New Pages festers. Something needs to be done about this problem. Mine is not a unique view — see ANI at ANI. We need to keep them all as a matter of principle and ban the future use of automated tools in this way. This argument will be copied-and-pasted in the debate sections for all automated AfDs of this campaign. Carrite (talk) 14:13, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.