Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sander Cohen (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of characters in the BioShock series. Maybe not a consensus, per-se, to redirect, but certainly a plurality, and a reasonable middle ground. I also went ahead and created List of bioshock characters as a redirect to the same place, since that seems like a more likely thing somebody might type into a search box. -- RoySmith (talk) 18:44, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Sander Cohen
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There are exceedingly few elements within the fictional Bioshock universe that are notable enough for their own articles (which is not to say that the games themselves are not notable); Sander Cohen is not one of them.

Furthermore, many of the sources have either link rotted away or he is only mentioned tangentially in some other context (i.e. one of them is an interview with a game designer where he briefly mentions Sander Cohen in a single question about which character he enjoyed designing the most, another is a discussion about choosing voice actors for the game).

This article has been deleted once before for failing to meet Wikipedia's notability policy, so I am relisting it for deletion since I feel that it still doesn't meet inclusion guidelines. GSMR (talk) 20:15, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete- I recently replayed this classic game and, in-game, Sander Cohen is a moderately important boss/questmaster who you meet around half-way mark. Not worthwhile dedicating an entire article to, not without a large amount of compelling sourcing. And I am not seeing that here. Reyk  YO!  11:28, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of characters in the BioShock series. While there certainly is some coverage, I rather see one decent section on a character, than a mediocre article. soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 14:22, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect as a worthwhile search term, and merge as necessary. This is actually a great example of a character mentioned in multiple "top lists" and even called out by name in reviews, but altogether that isn't the sourcing that proves independent notability. czar  00:09, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions.  czar  20:51, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  czar  20:51, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep References 6,7,8,10,11 in the current article demonstrate multiple instances of significant, independent, RS coverage. Czar's characterization of these sources is accurate, but his conclusion is not. Jclemens (talk) 21:08, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per Jclemens. I also note that there are a few potentially useful hits on Google Scholar. His part in the game may be small (I played it, and he isn't really ringing a bell with me...) but he's clearly attracted some critical and academic attention. Josh Milburn (talk) 18:11, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect as I'm still not seeing enough, even despite the listed sources, to suggest comfortably better thus I go with this. SwisterTwister   talk  21:20, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Yellow Dingo &#160; (talk)  08:58, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of characters in the BioShock series. While a popular character, there is not enough independent notability which makes this good for a redirect.ZettaComposer (talk) 14:58, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: I'm surprised more people aren't supporting keeping the article; can I suggest that, if we're not going to keep a separate article on the character, we at least merge some of the content here to the list? Josh Milburn (talk) 22:05, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of characters in the BioShock series. Not notable on its own. K.e.coffman (talk) 04:41, 6 August 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.