Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sandro Goiano (footballer, born 1978)


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The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Vanamonde93 (talk) 13:15, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Sandro Goiano (footballer, born 1978)

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Fails WP:GNG. Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:21, 2 December 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: It has not been proved that the subject meets GNG; there is presently only one source which counts as WP:SIGCOV. More evidence is needed that there are offline sources. Otherwise, I suggest delete. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Arbitrarily0   ( talk ) 15:55, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Football and Brazil. Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:21, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  23:48, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep – Hello, I created the article and honestly it doesn't see where its fail in WP:GNG, he was state champion for three different clubs in Brazilian football (all first division state leagues are completely professional), he scored goals in a very notable confrontation which was ASA vs. Palmeiras in 2002 Copa do Brasil, there is coverage from reliable sources such as GloboEsporte. I would like to understand the point of the article being deleted. Svartner (talk) 01:03, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep The second source in the article clearly shows in-depth coverage, the other sources help. And going by the length of his career and how much he played, It seems that there is a lot of sources to hunt down and add to the article. There is plenty of room to expand the article. Govvy (talk) 11:34, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 13:30, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - no evidence of notability. One decent source is not enough. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 13:42, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment - The article is not based on a single source. In any case, I added a few more to complement. Svartner (talk) 09:38, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - Article about former footballer who had a single notable performance in a round of 64 Copa do Brasil match, and which appears to fail WP:GNG. The Globo Esporte article is useful, but leans heavily on quotes with the subject and the secondary coverage is almost entirely focused on that one match. I'd need to see better sources (in depth, secondary coverage in reliable sources, not match reports and previews) and I'm skeptical that this footballer is well-known in Brazil. Jogurney (talk) 18:24, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment - You completely ignored the part that the player was champion in three different first-tier state leagues, all at professional level in Brazilian football pyramid. The 2002 game gave a lot of visibility, but the athlete's career spans 18 years. There are sources on the titles won, several on the 2002 match, as well as statistics on Soccerway and ogol.com, in a variety of ways.Svartner (talk) 20:23, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Let's go through each of the references included in the article: Three (FdSP from 5/2013, 7S from 5/2015 and JA from 2/2020) are noting the 2002 Copa do Brasil round of 64 match where Goiano is just name-dropped for being in the squad and scoring the game-winner (not in-depth coverage); One (UOL from 2/2002) is an interview with Goiano about that 2002 match with a brief career update (mostly primary coverage, and not in-depth); Two (both GE from May 2013) are a match report (where his name is dropped as having been in the squad) and a post-match interview with Goiano about his club's '13 state championship (not in-depth or not secondary); One (ZC from 11/2023) is about his former manager (Paiva) and includes a name drop that he was in Paiva's state championship winning side (not in-depth/mostly not even about him); One (UD from 8/2014) is a match report where his name is mentioned in passing (not in-depth); One (GE from 11/2014) is a season preview which only indicates he is in the squad (not in-depth); One (BNA) is simply a note that he scored some goals in the '09 state championship (not in-depth); and One (GE from 5/2015) has a one paragraph career summary (not in-depth). So while, he has been in some sides that won state championships (mind you, these are not close to being high-profile championships like the Carioca or Paulista), there is no in-depth coverage of him as a footballer. The article fails WP:GNG. Jogurney (talk) 15:17, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Each of the sources in question covers one of the topics involving the athlete. One part about the achievements, another about the 2002 game (which is historic), others about the final part of his career, with the second source providing more details about its origins (as the user @Govvy rightly pointed out). The only gap that I was unable to resolve is regarding the beginning of the player's career in Portuguese football. About the state leagues not being Paulista or Carioca would make sense if it were the only relevant thing in the entire trajectory, but the sum of factors makes Goiano's career something relevant. Just look at other Brazilian players, most of whom have no achievements and/or no spells in relevant teams.Things add up. An athlete with titles in state leagues + protagonist of a historic match + long career by Brazilian football standards. And there is WP:SIGCOV in the Brazilian media as you yourself stated (GloboEsporte at various times, Folha de São Paulo, UOL Esporte, basically the main ones in the country). Svartner (talk) 15:47, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I did not state that there is SIGCOV of him; I see none at all. It doesn't matter that a newspaper like FdSP has an article that mentions his name a couple of times; we would need an article that provides in-depth secondary coverage of his career. The very best source identified so far (from GE) dedicates a single paragraph to recapping his career thus far (as it does to every other squad member). That's simply not good enough for the GNG. Jogurney (talk) 17:00, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - Per Govvy and Svartner. Already has sources and deifitly has even more offline sources, having had extensive fully pro career in late 1990s to early 2000s. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 18:08, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per keeps above me. gidonb (talk) 03:01, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep, significant coverage and passes GNG. Page needs improvement not deletion.--Ortizesp (talk) 07:49, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, per Jogurney's excellent analysis. The Globo piece is written in a primary, narrative style, from the perspective of the subject, and is based on an interview. That's not enough independence to stand alone as the sole substantial source.
 * JoelleJay (talk) 03:18, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 01:56, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: I found another interview of the athlete, in addition to a printed publication of Jornal Lance! (São Paulo) talking about the players celebration in Arapiraca, summarizing the athletes careers up to that point in 2002. The sources add up while the arguments for deletion are based only on the way the GloboEsporte interview was carried out. Svartner (talk) 17:20, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep - more than enough coverage to satisfy WP:GNG, Jogurney !vote with supposedly "excellent analysis" is little more than cherry-picking at the sources and finding stuff to complain about. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 15:28, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per new sources found. Tooncool64 (talk) 02:39, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep scrapes through WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:07, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:GNG बिनोद थारू (talk) 03:01, 27 December 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.