Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sandy Hawley Community Service Award


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Ontario Sports Hall of Fame. J04n(talk page) 12:47, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Sandy Hawley Community Service Award

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This award does not satisfy WP:GNG in that there is not significant coverage in multiple, reliable and independent sources. The current sourcing is not independent, as it is from the organization that grants the award. The article also appears to raise Conflict of interest problems. Most of the Ontario Sports Hall of Fame-related articles were created by User:Rajeevanm, an editor whose edits since 2014 relate principally to the OSHOF. Interestingly, the user name is very close to the name of the OSHOF's director of marketing and board member. See here and here. Cbl62 (talk) 00:34, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2016 May 29.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 00:47, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
 * A related AfD can be found at Articles for deletion/Brian Williams Media Award. Cbl62 (talk) 01:11, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Lemongirl942 (talk) 09:32, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Lemongirl942 (talk) 09:32, 29 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi Cbl62, I apologize for the late reply to your comment as I'm just learning how to use the "talk" section on Wikipedia. Although you may believe there is not significant coverage in multiple, reliable and independent sources to warrant the Sandy Hawley Community Service Award article, I would recommend checking these sources: Toronto Maple Leafs, Toronto Sun  , Ottawa Redblacks  to start as the articles were written in 2013, 2015, 2016 respectively. I agree with you that there is not much coverage from independent sources but I believe there is sufficient mention of the award to meet WP:GNG standards. Please correct me if I am mistaken. Rajeevanm (talk) 05:19, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
 * The sources you mention may constitute significant coverage of the OSHOF, but they do not constitute significant coverage of the Hawley Award. The references given merely contain passing reference to the Hawley Award. Such passing references are insufficient under GNG to support a stand-alone article. Cbl62 (talk) 05:48, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
 * With regards to your concern that there is a conflict of interest. Allow me to provide some background on the Ontario Sports Hall of Fame. The OSHOF is a volunteer, non-profit organization that is dedicated to preserving the history and feats of athletes within our province for the future generations. We don't have a charitable status nor do we receive any funding from the government at any level. All Board of Directors and committee members are volunteers. We don't receive any compensation and often times we pay out of pocket to manage small expenses. In fact, to preserve and honour what we set out to achieve, all volunteers (including me) pay for the tickets to our own events. As the director of marketing, it's my role to educate and embrace the younger people of Ontario on the achievements of our athletes - this often involves engaging audiences online (social media, wikipedia, and more). I can assure you this is a legitimate organization that has been operating since 1995 (I was born in 1990 so it's almost a lifetime lol). Rajeevanm (talk) 05:19, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
 * The issue is not whether or not OSHOF is a legitimate organization. The issue is your conflict as OSHOF marketing director in editing articles concerning OSHOF.   You need to familiarize yourself with WP:COI and its disclosure obligations. Cbl62 (talk) 05:48, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 01:40, 6 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Merge, probably to Ontario Sports Hall of Fame (OSHOF) or to a new section in it. The award is a program of OSHOF.  The current award article and the current OSHOF article are both short.  If OSHOF is worth covering, and if the award is an important program of it, then it can be mentioned there.  A redirect from the award to the organization can be left behind.


 * About COI, the Wikipedia policy/guideline at wp:COI used to be explicit in saying that a person with COI can edit, although they should be responsible, and they should defer to non-involved editors in the event of any conflict over content (e.g. they could make suggestions for article changes at the Talk page, but leave the implementation to others). In my view, COI problems are much less when the organization is nonprofit and the editor(s) are volunteers.  Cbl62 and me are volunteers here, by the way.  But still you have to understand that Wikipedia does have to have policy/guidelines about COI because wikipedia is otherwise over-run by COI editors, including paid editors (not the case here). -- do  ncr  am  20:39, 6 June 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.