Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sanjay Yadav (author)


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The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 17:41, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Sanjay Yadav (author)

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This article is vanispam. Look carefully to see the forest through the trees.

Author bases claims on own work:
 * "Clare Hall, a Cambridge college, elected him a life-member in 1991"--sourced to the author's own book

Author makes mountains out of molehills looking for notability. For instance, footnote 5, sourcing a statement from the lead about the many publications, reads "See references 19 to 35 below." Those references are at best pointers to primary evidence, and some of them quite shallow, as a sampling shows:
 * note 20 is simply a failed link to the LoC
 * note 21 does not seem to mention our subject
 * note 23 is maybe the best of them all, if "Sanjay Singh" is indeed our subject, receiving modest praise for a rather childish poem with a grammatical error in the first line
 * note 24, see page 156

I could go on, but I won't. There are no secondary sources that establish the author's notability. There seems to be one single mention of the author, in a Livemint-associated blog, here (where he is denounced as a xenophobe). The two books listed in the LoC are self-published; see The Invasion of Delhi and The Environmental Crisis of Delhi. This article is puffery and, worse, spam, attempting to create notability for and author and his works which were subsequently cited in contentious articles such as Environment of Delhi and Ethnic groups in Delhi. Drmies (talk) 16:25, 18 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment I asked Drmies for help on one article which got him to uncover this. I still haven't had much time to look around, but one thing, the worldcat link on the article lists all authors of the same name, looking through the first fifty books on the Worldcat link, I couldn't find one by this person. This is getting to be a walled garden as the author's POV is spammed across other articles now, specifically Ethnic groups in Delhi. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  16:42, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I was hesitant to call this a walled garden, but it certainly has aspects of one. Drmies (talk) 16:57, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete After looking deeper, I can't see how this passes WP:AUTHOR or WP:GNG and more importantly WP:V. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  04:18, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions.  -- &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  16:44, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  -- &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  16:45, 18 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete vanity bio--Sodabottle (talk) 16:48, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:AUTHOR, WP:RS, WP:V. Qworty (talk) 18:09, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - WorldCat finds 3 libraries holding The invasion of Delhi and only 1 library, The environmental crisis of Delhi : a political analysis. It does not find Portraits of India; nor does it find Dilli par Kabza. I do not know if Indian libraries participate in OCLC. Lady  of  Shalott  04:55, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You managed to find the books, which I couldn't based on the link within. Indian libraries are not covered in worldcat, so we can't take that at face value. However, BCL and LoC holdings aren't generally indicators, as they tend to hold anything they get a copy of; t. Given the timing of the books and the sensitivity of both topics within the Indian context, I would expect newspaper reviews of the author and/or books to be available online. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  05:03, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom - ...Captain...... Tälk tö me...   05:07, 20 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment The article should stay because the person-concerned has been the subject of international reporting (i.e. Christian Science Monitor); this establishes his notability. Besides, the site gets reasonable traffic. Most Indian academics who have had their biographies put up on the Wikipedia have never been the subject of any international report at all; he is an exception. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.161.18.241 (talk) 05:10, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I have looked at the CSM article, and do not see any mention of this author's name. Am I missing something? Lady  of  Shalott  16:17, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The book (credited to him) is quoted in the second page of the CSM article (India's migrant workers face hostility in Mumbai, CSM, April 9, 2010):"In a 2008 book titled "The Invasion of Delhi," scholar Sanjay Yadav argues that the original inhabitants in and around Delhi have been marginalized by newcomers. He calculates that they now make up just 35 percent of the population and hold 6 percent of the white-collar jobs. He also appeals to environmentalism, arguing that the region has grown polluted partly as a result of too many people with too little connection to the land. He says migration is holding back development elsewhere."
 * I don't think that is anything to go by for notability. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  17:29, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Comment I checked and found that there is a reference to him on Yahoo News too. This is the number one online news portal. Additionally, the references to contributions in overseas journals are accurate. He has also contributed to the Hindu, south India's top paper, the Hindustan Times, north's India's top paper and to the Illustrated Weekly of India, the top journal of yesteryears. Overall this is fair proof of notability. So many Indian journalists have sketches on the Wikipedia; but few among them have contributed to overseas publications and few have been alluded to in Yahoo New or the Christian Science Monitor--this latter is among the top three journals of the USA.

Some of the editorial comment shows poor literacy. Thus the first line right at the top of the page says: "Look carefully to see the forest through the trees". This is hilarious! How can you see through a tree? Will you cut a hole in the trunk! There is no such expression, but if you do want to use it anyway, it should be rather 'look carefully to see the trees through the forest'.

I could go on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.161.9.173 (talk) 16:49, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * First of all your comment about the nominator's expression, "seeing the forest through the trees" is just wrong. It is a common English expression for understanding the big picture, not just focusing on small details. That's neither here nor there.


 * Can you post links to the CSM article (the one I saw had only one page, with no mention of Yadav or his book) and the Yahoo news article? The quote you published from CSM is not significant coverage anyway. If you want to argue that these sources be counted, we need links to them so they can be evaluated. Lady  of  Shalott  17:59, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Comment The comment about the illiterate use of English by the self-appointed editor is absolutely correct. The correct expression is 'mistaking the woods for the trees' and it refers to a failure to distinguish general issues from specific details. His focus is precisely on small details, so is yours; and his claim is that small details are falsified. The expression is not used in instances of alleged fraud--which is exactly what his charge is.

Another instance of poor English is the expression 'walled garden'. Most gardens are walled, e.g. the Mughals Gardens in Delhi. Nor is the new information technology meaning applicable here. So what does the masked creature from the animal kingdom mean? Nothing! He is just trying to sound more sophisticated than he is. Anyhow, we'll let that pass; illiteracy is widespread.

For the CSM link click the note 11 and then go to page two. As for Yahoo News, retrieval is more complicated because they have archived the story. I am writing to Yahoo to see how it may be retrieved. Other links such as those referring to Gulf News and Minnesota Post both work and demonstrate how the references are accurate. Again read till the end of the report.

It is obvious that these semi-educated vandals are motivated by personal animus and have neither the ability nor the integrity to judge another individual's work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.161.19.59 (talk) 05:55, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
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