Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sanjeeva Rao (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Guerillero Parlez Moi 09:56, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Sanjeeva Rao
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No significant coverage to meet NSPORTS or GNG. The previous AfD was closed as Keep based on the likely existence of SIGCOV sources; no sources have been found to exist or been added to the articles. NSPORTS no longer allows presumption of notability and SPORTBASIC explicitly requires at least one SIGCOV source to be present in the article. –dlthewave ☎ 15:22, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Cricket,  and India. –dlthewave ☎ 15:22, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per the strong consensus at Articles for deletion/Sanjeeva Rao. The fact that sports notability criteria have changed does not affect the notability of this cricketer. Note that per WP:NEXIST sources do not need to be present in the article. StAnselm (talk) 15:26, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTSCRIT #5. Sources don't need to be present in the article but they do need to exist; I note that this is the second time this article has been nominated for deletion, and in the year since the previous discussion no one has been able to find suitable sources, which suggests there are no such sources. Redirection is not suitable due to the existence of an elected official called B. Sanjeeva Rao. BilledMammal (talk) 16:23, 31 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep Meets the updated criteria in the opening paragraph of WP:NSPORT - "The article should provide reliable sources showing that the subject meets the general notability guideline or the sport specific criteria set forth below", so going below you find it covers cricketers who have played at the highest domestic level. This is the second time this article has been nominated at AfD, with the nom following a previous pattern of re-nominating similar articles (one, two, three). When they were not satisfied when all three of those were kept, the nom sent all three to DRV. All three of those were all closed as endorse (IE keep). At worst, redirect to List of Madhya Pradesh cricketers, per WP:ATD, WP:PRESERVE, WP:R and WP:CHEAP.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 18:33, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * And the sports specific criteria includes WP:SPORTSCRIT. In addition, NCRIC doesn't presume notability, it suggests significant coverage is likely to exist if it and WP:SPORTSCRIT is met. BilledMammal (talk) 18:42, 31 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete - Article fails WP:GNG and WP:NCRICKET. While it's true that WP:NCRICKET mentions playing at the highest level, it says nothing about that making a subject notable, or that playing at the highest level meets some requirement. What it says is "cricketers who have played at the highest domestic level, or in the lower levels of international cricket, may have sufficient coverage about them to justify an article, but it should not be assumed to exist without further proof." So even the guideline being cited to support keeping the article doesn't actually support keeping the article. Since there is no further proof of sufficient coverage, then per WP:NCRICKET we must assume there is no notability. This article doesn't even have the presumption of notability, let alone established, demonstrated notability that articles on Wikipedia must have. WP:NEXIST does say that sources don't need to be in the article, but the sources do need to exist. There's been more than sufficient opportunity to present evidence of such sources, and none have materialized. For my part I have searched and came up empty. - Aoidh (talk) 04:07, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak delete It's my opinion that GNG passing sources likely exists on the subject, in either offline or non-English language media, but in the year since the last AfD none has been forthcoming, therefore I'm at weak delete as there's no suitable redirect here as he played for a number of different sides. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 19:02, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep it seems nobody is really looking hard for sources here. There's an article here that describes a match and comments of his career that, if it isn't sigcov, it comes close. There are a number of articles about his being an official and I found a couple of database articles that referenced him as a club or regional official, he's also mentioned in the book Cricket wallah : with England in India, 1981-2 in a piece which has been excerpted in The Picador book of cricket and Bat, ball & boundary : a cricketer's companion. These are admittedly passing mentions, but it seems to me useful that sportsmen who get mentioned in anthologies of sportswriting and have significant careers be described in encyclopedia articles. There's some more coverage here and he gets a mention in this book of cricket records. With him showing up in these kinds of sources, I'm confident that if we actually had access to a good database of Indian newspapers for the relevant period of his playing career, he'd show up there too.--Jahaza (talk) 09:29, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * No I think those were likely seen but overlooked, because they are the very definition of trivial coverage and don't contribute to notability per WP:GNG. If that's the best we can find, it kind of supports the fact that there's nothing there in terms of coverage. While it's possible sources exist, per WP:NCRICKET we should not assume sources exist at this level. - Aoidh (talk) 16:21, 2 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete. Trivial, passing mentions and appearances in lists do not contribute to GNG and certainly do not indicate further sources might exist. Primary play-by-play recaps of matches are routine in cricket and do not count towards GNG either. The article does not have a single SIGCOV source, and so fails SPORTCRIT and should be deleted. JoelleJay (talk) 05:55, 3 August 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.