Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sansara Naga 2


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Black Kite (t) (c) 17:40, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Sansara Naga 2

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I could not find significant coverage of this game in any reliable source. Even tried searching in Japanese. Delete per WP:GNG. User contested WP:PROD. Odie5533 (talk) 03:43, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * KEEP. and try harder when searching.
 * The article should be restructured. Add info about its prequel and change the title to Sansara Naga. 2 in 1. --Hydao (talk) 15:07, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 22:48, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 22:48, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 22:48, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * KEEP, for the same reason as Hydao. GVnayR (talk) 15:42, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

GVnayR, you'd better start restructuring it.. --Hydao (talk) 17:46, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Weak Delete The issue is not whether the game is notable or not, but whether the article assesses notability, which is does not, having no third-party sources outside of purely factual ones. I'd be happy to revise my position if sources are added and the article edited accordingly. Salvidrim (talk) 19:30, 15 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, the soundtrack was composed by the great Kenji Kawai. The article really needs to be improved and not deleted. Let's see if the page creator will work more on it... About changing the name to Game Series... hmmm, ''Sansara Naga" is enough.


 * Keep, add info on both games and change the name to Sansara Naga (Game Series) Dontforgetthisone (talk) 22:08, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛  Talk Email 11:00, 16 October 2011 (UTC)




 * Comment None of the sources in the article support notability and no one here has really put forward any real argument to the contrary. --Odie5533 (talk) 15:35, 16 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment Odie, you unfairly removed the MobyGames link (probably the best "source" in English about this game) which contains precious, useful and accurate information in English language about Sansara Naga 2: http://www.mobygames.com/game/sansara-naga-2 --Hydao (talk) 17:34, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I removed the use of MobyGames as a reference, as the site has been determined to be unreliable and thus can not be used as a reference for factual content. I think the fact that the unreliable MobyGames article is the best source for the game speaks volumes about the notability of this game. --Odie5533 (talk) 17:42, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Who determined that? Five or six wikipedians? Oh c'mon... Actually that link is pretty complete, I would like to praise that "Mobygamer"... box art, overview, game credits(!)... Respect! How about adding the link as an "External link"? About the notability, for me it is more than notable. The soundtrack was composed by Kenji Kawai, so it's fine. Also, I just noticed now that the game was also released for the Game Boy Advance. http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51H687Y7NFL.jpg ... http://www.gamefaqs.com/gba/565547-sansara-naga-1x2 ... definitely KEEP the article. --Hydao (talk) 17:51, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Since MobyGames consists entirely of user submitted content, it would be akin to citing a wikipedia article as a reference. That is why I removed. Yes, you can add it to the external links of the page. I personally would not add it there because I do not believe they are a knowledgeable source (WP:ELMAYBE #4), but you are free to do so. However, please read WP:EXT and consider WP:ELNO #1, since sometimes the MobyGames page would clearly not be appropriate. --Odie5533 (talk) 19:51, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd also like to note that you still have not presented a clear argument for keeping the article. --Odie5533 (talk) 19:53, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * My arguments are the same as with the other 2 or 3 games we've been discussing. Anyway, I don't mind if the article is REDIRECTED to Kenji Kawai. Because the truth is, the creator of the page Sansara Naga 2 is irresponsible, he creates video games articles just totally random, he doesn't own or didn't play the game, he used to copy/paste texts from other sites until 2 months ago, and he says "I didn't use my own words because I'm lazy". ermmm... And he's on Wikipedia since 2006! More than enough time to learn... I bet he didn't know that the NES and Game Boy Advance game actually exists. IMO, it doesn't make sense. 0% of sense. There are hundreads of pages created by him who's a complete mess, and that's why I started editing Wikipedia... How can someone create 5 pages within 2 hours? seriously... he's a mess, I hope he's reading this and start editing/improving those crappy pages. --Hydao (talk) 22:03, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I can definitely agree with merging/redirecting to a related/parent page where notability is uncontroversial. This may be an important work by a notable person without being notable enough to have its own article. Salvidrim (talk) 22:37, 16 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep It needs to be rewritten, and analyzed by an expert on the subject, but it appears salvagable, and is even featured on the Japanese wikipedia were some sources may be found. – Phoenix B 1of3 (talk) 17:18, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * This deletion nomination is for the notability of the subject, not the contents of the article. If you have reliable sources to support notability, please post them here. --Odie5533 (talk) 17:40, 16 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Searching for it in its Japanese name let me to what seems to be a notable game news site. http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/20011213/vis.htm And the Google translation shows it is ample coverage.  and also reviewed at http://news.dengeki.com/soft/info/detail/11861/    D r e a m Focus  00:50, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes... there are many Japanese sites... Anyway, the Wikipedian who nominated the page for deletion... next time before nominating whatever, think twice, or "more than twice". And the Wikipedian who created the page... next time before creating a page please do a research. If you are lazy then don't create the page. Stop wasting ppl time and thought. --Hydao (talk) 01:28, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Sansara Naga 1x2 is re-release for the GBA with both 1 and 2. I don't think it supports having a standalone article for either game individually, but I could see it supporting the notability of a Sansara Naga 1x2 article, provided other sources exist. For the purposes of this nomination, however, I don't think it supports the notability of the game. --Odie5533 (talk) 06:31, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Just rename the article to Sansara Naga (series) as others have suggested, and its fine then.  D r e a m Focus  08:11, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Is the the series notable? Is the GBA game notable? Your vote here was Keep. Do you now believe it should be renamed into a Sansara Naga (series) article? --Odie5533 (talk) 09:19, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename is still keep. Same article, regardless what you call it.  Doesn't really matter to me at all.   D r e a m Focus  10:57, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename to a different article is not the same as keep. This nomination is for an SFC video game, not a GBA video nor a series of video games. If you think it should be kept, then the SFV video game alone should be notable. --Odie5533 (talk) 13:04, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't complicate this anymore. I created the page Sansara Naga (series), and redirected Sansara Naga 2. I will improve the page slowly, step by step, ok?--Hydao (talk) 17:23, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It is the same thing. You can add in details about the first game into this article, since they were later sold together, and have a lot of similarities.  If you have enough valid information to fill two articles, and reliable sources for both games, then have them separately.    D r e a m Focus  17:59, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.