Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Santana 2007 performances


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The result was delete. It appears that the nominator and author have reached some level of understanding of how to list tour performances by this artist. CHICHI7YT, if the content of this article would be helpful to you, please feel free to contact me and I will provide it to you. ST47 (talk) 04:32, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Santana 2007 performances

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Fails WP:NCONCERT in particular and WP:EVENT in general. The article creator has been on a mission to create articles for every single Santana tour, even though most of them clearly aren't notable enough for a Wikipedia article. At least most of them can be redirected in due course to an article about the parent album, but in this case that won't be possible. This isn't a tour (despite the use of the infobox for tours), it's a list of the eight live appearances made by the band during a particular calendar year – six entirely unrelated one-off appearances, seemingly for fund-raising events (this isn't entirely clear, two of the gigs are simply listed in the "tour dates" section and never mentioned anywhere else in the article), and two dates in Moscow. As with many of the other Santana tour articles that this editor has created, they are mostly sourced to the official Santana website (not independent), fan sites (not reliable) and Setlist.fm (also unreliable), and just end up being WP:NOTDIR tour date listings. This article does have a couple of reliable sources in it, but they are literally "Santana played at the event" passing mentions... some of these appearances were as part of an event line-up, not headlining concerts. There is no in-depth, independent reliable coverage of any of Santana's shows included in this article, and to describe it as a "tour" would be OR. A redirect to Santana (band) doesn't seem possible, given the non-notability of Santana's participation in most of these events and the fact they are not mentioned in the band's article, and the vague OR title of this article meaning it's not a likely search term. Richard3120 (talk) 00:52, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Richard3120 (talk) 00:54, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. Richard3120 (talk) 00:54, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

I read your statement. I agree that most of the articles I've created most likely deserve deletion since those tours aren't very notable and the articles do not give good coverage of them nor cite reliable sources. I was considering making an article for tours and performance lists like this one, e.g. List of Yes concert tours (1960s–70s). How is that idea? CHICHI7YT (talk) 23:10, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * That's not a bad idea, actually. I left your other articles alone because at least with tours, there's a good chance that reviews or descriptions of the shows do exist in print magazines of the time, so there is the possibility that they could be improved. The problem with this article is that because it's not a tour, it's a random collection of unrelated shows, in some of which Santana only shares the billing with other artists, it's very unlikely that there's ever going to be any in-depth coverage of Santana's part in these shows. But a list article might solve that issue because all you would need is a reliable source that shows that the performance took place, and it would probably be more beneficial to the type of information you are trying to convey. I don't deal with list articles much myself, so I'll leave it to other editors to decide whether WP:NLIST and WP:LISTCRITERIA could be met here. Richard3120 (talk) 00:02, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: To get more participation

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rollidan (talk) 04:32, 16 November 2019 (UTC)


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