Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sappo School


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Spartaz Humbug! 22:01, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Sappo School

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Non-notable private school. This rather spammy article cites many references, few of which actually talk about this school, but are rather citations to publications about the teaching methods discussed (there's even a reference to Aristotle's Metaphysics). No actual reliable sources to be found. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:51, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Long Island per SCHOOLOUTCOMES. – Davey 2010 •  (talk)  13:20, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per below - Usually schools should be redirected/merged but since they've seemed to have constantly changed addresses I'm not confident redirect will be of any help (Unless they really find a permanent spot and stick to it), Any school can relocate and that's fine but I assume they've done this more than once, I wouldn't object to anyone redirecting in September when they supposedly stick to there new location . – Davey 2010 •  (talk)  17:49, 21 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment Nom gives criticism (which I agree with) of content of page here but not on article talk page. For instance I would want to know size of cohort and staff numbers etc. and whether they have been informed of WP:GNG and WP:GNG before deciding to delete and perhaps give a chance to improve article.  Gregkaye (talk) 14:02, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment The article has been tagged for issues, which the SPA author has seen and responded to by adding sources that are not at all helpful. The school itself is tiny: 29 students and 5 staff covering grades 5-12 (based on this reference provided by the author).  Long Island would be a poor choice of redirect targets if that is the outcome: Long Island comprises over 100 public school districts serving a population of over 7 million residents (and that's just Nassau and Suffolk counties). Mentioning one 30-student school in an article about such a large community would be a bit out of scope.  I'd support a redirect to and mention on Commack, New York, but the newness and growth of the school indicate that it is likely to change locations several times before settling in a final address.  (It already has done so once, as announced on their website.)  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 16:55, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:04, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:04, 21 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment. I have found one news story via a forum: there was a dispute between them and a school district over accommodation of special education students. Here is a reliable source reporting on the issue. Someone with access to Newsday may find more news stories; the school educates through Grade 12 and the reasoning behind the rule of thumb that high school articles almost always get kept is that there is almost always going to be news coverage of them. If anyone can find a second news item, I'll !vote "keep and rewrite". Yngvadottir (talk) 20:15, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment General rules don't always apply. The rule about high schools is that they are not eligible for speedy deletion, not that they are deletion-proof.  In this case, we're talking about a special education school started by a single educator, and now joined by a staff totaling 5, educating 29 special needs students.  (The article doesn't make much of a point of this, and perhaps they are looking to broaden their scope, but their focus in the past appears to have been on emotionally disabled students who need special attention.)  A search of Newsday's site shows up empty -- no available stories for "Sappo".  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 21:48, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. I would normally  advocate redirect for  non  notable schools, especially  government  schools, but  this article is particularly  spammy  and has no  other purpose than for promotion of a very  small  private institution, or a misguided understanding  that  WP  is a general school listing  site. It  would need considerable RS to become noteworthy even for a redirect. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:12, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - School includes high school students; per longstanding consensus at AfD, High Schools of confirmed existence are presumed notable on a per se basis. Admittedly this is a spammy piece. This is correctable through our normal editing process. Carrite (talk) 14:01, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment The presumption of notability may work as a general rule, because one presumes that most high schools will have been the subject of sufficient independent coverage to develop verifiable facts. For an extremely small private school, founded by a single woman in her home and only now (after 20 years of existence) moving out of that home to an actual building, this presumption seems ill-fitting, as is borne out by the complete lack of significant independent sources.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:07, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. and Kudpung กุดผึ้ง. --Bejnar (talk) 03:25, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.