Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sara Brajovic


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The result was keep. Consensus here is that the sources are sufficient to meet GNG and NMODEL. (non-admin closure) Smartyllama (talk) 12:49, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Sara Brajovic

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apparent press release for non-notable model. The refs are either articles mentioning her among other people, aor are the sort of society gossip that violated NOT TABLOID  DGG ( talk ) 21:51, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
 * talk KEEP She has been profiled, for both her style blog and modeling career, in Italian and French Vogue, as well as Yahoo News 1 2, 3 She also writes for Vogue, and is a local celebrity in Serbia. The references listed here are Vogue (the most respected fashion magazine in the world), Serbian news media and fashion magazines, 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 the British Telegraph 11 etc. She's also been profiled in Brazilian Harper's Bazaar and French BE magazine.12 These independent sources reflect the fact that she is a fashion icon and model so notability can be established.  Abonzz (talk) 22:16, 22 May 2018 (UTC)


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 * those profiles are exactly what I think should be considered as essentially press releases.  DGG ( talk ) 19:18, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * talk If you want to learn about designers, stylists, models, etc you go to Vogue, Harper's Bazaar, or the style section of a newspaper. This is why the references listed above are mostly from fashion magazines, which often publish this type of pithy and shallow article (referred to here as sounding a press release). However, if this type of article is no longer accepted as a source, then the issue becomes the entire field of fashion magazines, and not just that one article (because this style of writing is often found in fashion publications). And if fashion magazines are no longer considered reputable sources, then how would one establish notability for those working in the fashion field? On a side note: this is an issue that particularly touches women because they mostly work in in fashion. Also not sure why these same high standards of journalism are not also applied to male sports biographies, for example. Abonzz (talk) 22:05, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree with on this. If you think these are "press releases," then the burden is on you to show that they are indeed "press releases" and not just fashion coverage. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:02, 28 May 2018 (UTC)


 * delete Insufficient independent coverage to meet notability requirements. Press releases do not count.Dloh cier ekim 's sock User talk:Dlohcierekim 04:46, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep talk The sources listed are not press releases but articles from well established magazines such as Vogue, thus independent sources, as well as news media. Can you please explain? ThanksAbonzz (talk) 20:46, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep She passes GNG and Vogue, etc are RS. I was alerted to this AfD from who had a very reasonable question about press releases vs. RS.  and, you can't just decide that an article is a press release because you feel like it or you think it's a press release. Press releases are completely different from articles and while press releases may be used to create a journalistic article, they aren't the same thing at all. Conflating the two is not good editing here on Wikipedia and I'm frustrated to see this still going on at AfD. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:08, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 00:18, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep without doubt. Good secondary sources, definitely notable. Gianvito Scaringi (talk) 15:12, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep as per above Keep arguments.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 23:17, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep: meets WP:NMODEL per review of available sources and what's already in the article. K.e.coffman (talk) 20:50, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment – Press releases often have the same article and/or content hosted on many various websites, and a means to determine whether or not a news article is a press release or based upon a press release is to utilize Google searches using the titles and/or content of these articles. Actual news articles typically will only have links present in searches for the articles themselves, (and potentially on a few mirrors), as opposed to press releases, which typically are published and duplicated on many sites. I agree with the notion that the provision of proof of news articles being based upon press releases should be the basis to qualify such statements, rather than simply stating this as a fact via proof by assertion with no further qualification provided. North America1000 02:48, 5 June 2018 (UTC)


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