Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sara Schätzl


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Rollidan (talk) 18:26, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Sara Schätzl

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This page is basically a blow-by-blow of a non-notable columnist and author's life who also happens to be a bit-part actress with a charity that receives no secondary sources at all. The page appears to be authored by Schatzl herself, or an individual close to her. The prose is pure fluff documenting her pets, her various insignificant "gigs", and even her relocation to different states and her application for permanent residency. Majority of the sources are from questionable German outlets or her unverified social media accounts most of which direct to dead links. It's quite telling that even with these apparent reliable German sources, she doesn't have a page on German Wiki. Maxen Embry (talk) 16:18, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:23, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:23, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:23, 3 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep The subject is certainly much better known here in Germany than in the US therefore most sources are from Germany but that certainly should not be a problem. Her move to the US as well as here life before and after the move was covered in detail in a German TV series by VOX (German TV channel), her books have been published in Germany and her TV and film appearances have been in Germany. Again that shouldn't be a problem as Wikipedia isn't just for people notable in the US. As all this was already some years ago some sources might not be reachable anymore but that can happen to online sources. I approached Schätzl 2013 myself for the release of an image under CC license, as I quite often do for articles, and she kindly sent me some photos with the usual release form. I forwarded her email with the attached pics to OTRS where I'm sure it is still archived. So IMHO she fulfilled in Germany the WP:BIO 'nutshell' criteria: A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Optimale  Gu 18:02, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Optimale, it is considered good form to state that you are the page creator.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:39, 4 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete a Proquest newspapers search turns up only 5 sources in German and ZERO sources in any other language. gNewshas more sources, but they are of a less reliable species than the sources found via Proquest newspapers.  E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:44, 8 August 2019 (UTC) Note to ivoters and closing administrator: E.M.Gregory is a blocked sock. Lightburst (talk) 12:04, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete since subject does not meet WP:NCREATIVE and even WP:ANYBIO. The text is full of unsourced or poorly sourced promotional verbiage. It's undue weight by itself. I suggest we gallantly invoke WP:TOOSOON. -The Gnome (talk) 20:08, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Changing suggestion to Keep since German sources now verify WP:ANYBIO. Manic hunger to be famous is sometimes rewarded, and this is one such time. -The Gnome (talk) 07:50, 10 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment. No views either way on the subject's notability or otherwise; but I just want to say that it is also considered "good form" for the proposer of an AfD not to attempt to game the system by deleting wikilinks thereby reducing the subject's visibility before the issue has been decided, as here, here, here and here. GrindtXX (talk) 22:55, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. A lot of publications about her in news, although mostly in German. Definitely notable as a columnist, author, and actress (see the page). My very best wishes (talk) 02:38, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Thank you User:GrindtXX for catching the chicanery. The subject is notable. German media and books. Meets GNG. Lightburst (talk) 03:39, 10 August 2019 (UTC)


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