Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sarah's Choice (2nd nomination)


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The result was  Obvious Speedy Keep. ~ &#8658;TomTom  N00  @ 10:45, 4 April 2012 (UTC) AfDs for this article: 
 * Not to be too pedantic, but this was not a speedy keep; see WP:SK. Drmies (talk) 01:37, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Sarah's Choice

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Lacks the significant coverage in reliable sources necessary for a WP:NFILM pass: one or two reviews in promotional non-RS is all it boasts. Wikipedia is not a promotional vehicle for every direct-to-video propaganda flick.

(Previous AFD cited coverage in Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Times-Herald, and Pilot News - but the former two are trivial mentions, one in a list of films screened at a film festival and the other a passing announcement of a screening in a promotional fluff piece, and given that the latter has a completely unrelated headline I'm guessing that that, too is a passing mention at best. It also cited WP:GOOGLEHITS, but that's obviously not a measure of notability since most of the hits are unrelated, eg. are about Sarah Palin, others are WP:ROUTINE and possibly paid announcements of screenings, and others are non-RS such as the perennially rejected LifeNews.) –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 22:33, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep - First step should have been to ask for additional references. News searches are slanted to recent events, not film releases from three years ago. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:11, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Google News also has an archive, which I looked through. It has news pieces going back decades. Reliable sources don't cover this film. Would you care to provide a rationale (WP:SK) for your speedy keep? –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 23:23, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It seems the article has been upgraded with additional references. I suppose if you look for them, references will be found. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:53, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  [  [User:Gene93k|• Gene93k]] (talk) 13:19, 29 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep, speedy close per the sound logic of the original AFD. It takes virtually no effort to also turn up US-national TV coverage . Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 19:45, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Per HW till I can get back on my actual computer. -- DQ on the road  (ʞlɐʇ)  05:45, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep, speedy close per the topic being the recipient of significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. While User: DQ  might do more when he returns to his home computer, I have just myself given the article some additional expansion and sourcing, and it was not at all difficult to do.  The nominator's statement underscores that a "Find sources" assigned by a AFD template is occasionally flawed, and that simply using the two words "Sarah's Choice" will return multiple false positives. So with a little smarts to address false positives, I inserted "Rebecca St. James" into the search parameters and found a plethora of sources.  And no... I'm not "claiming" G-Hits, but have actually searched through the results to use the easily found sources to improve the article, just as editing policy instructs.  Or did the nominator judge the previously-kept article on a mis-perception that Christian media are not allowed to offer coverage of Christian topics?  With respects to his nomination statement and his perhaps feeling the film's topic is Christian-centric-propaganda... Wikipedia is not censored.  We are not concerned with the truth or not of a topic. What DOES MATTER is the topic having the requisite significant coverage to meet and pass our notability criteria and thus allow us to write a neutral and encyclopedic article on the well-covered topic.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 22:07, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Reliable source coverage is copious, easy to find, and in depth enough to meet WP:GNG. -- Jayron  32  22:20, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Sorry for the piling on, Ros, but there are plenty of sources, and you dismiss the Christian ones far too lightly. It's a Christian film, dismissing Christian sources for it is like dismissing Physics sources for a film about Physics. --GRuban (talk) 19:33, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep for meeting GNG, cf. Articles for deletion/A Union in Wait, similar level of coverage.--Milowent • hasspoken 01:57, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
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