Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sarah Wiedenheft (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Black Kite (talk) 11:06, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Sarah Wiedenheft
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Issues of the previous AFD have not been met, and we're getting to the point of a slow-burning move-war between the article and draft space. She is still not covered in any significant depth, and only in brief mentions or credits listings. Primefac (talk) 11:57, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
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 * Comment There is a February 2019 Monsters & Critics blog that focuses on her reaction to when her brother was arrested for child porn charges.   That's about as in-depth as I've seen though. She does play a lead character in the Dragon Maid show.  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:54, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete I still haven't seen any in-depth articles even in local news coverage or regular anime news coverage that focus on her career. Usually a notable voice actress would have at least one or two from random newspapers affiliated with USA Today, or Houston Chronicle, Dallas Morning Star, such as with Trina Nishimura.  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:42, 29 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep She plays one of the main characters found in every episode of Grimgar of Fantasy and Ash. AngusWOOF says she plays a lead character in another notable show.  I didn't look through everything on her list to see which of her other roles is notable, but these two are enough to pass WP:ENTERTAINER.   D r e a m Focus  22:04, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I looked at the subject's roles, and I could find 30 main roles. There are also 3 roles from shows that made it to American television (Toonami, to be specific). View my vote below for more info. Sk8erPrince (talk) 10:36, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Wikipedia is based on verrifiability and we have none of that here.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:21, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Lack of reliable sources, virtually nothing has changed since the last AFD. Esw01407 (talk) 14:12, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep She meets WP:NACTOR, with significant roles in Zombie Land Saga, Teasing Master Takagi-san, The Morose Mononokean, Alice & Zouroku, Luck & Logic, Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid, Hand Shakers, Grimgar of Fantasy and Ash, etc. As for verifying her roles - there are a lot of sources which need to be removed (her own twitter?!), but Anime News Network, CBR.com and Monsters & Critics are OK - some are in the article, some could be added. RebeccaGreen (talk) 20:26, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
 * It's not so much a case of meeting NACTOR but of WP:BASIC and WP:GNG. NACTOR is not a guarantee of inclusion, just the indication; her article is little more than an IMDb listing of every show she's given her time and talent towards; there's just no significant coverage. Primefac (talk) 20:38, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:N says "A topic is presumed to merit an article if: (1) It meets either the general notability guideline below, or the criteria outlined in a subject-specific guideline listed in the box on the right." (My emphasis) Not all the WP:SNGs require significant coverage - and not all coverage is online. If she had significant roles in only 2 or 3 shows, I would consider it borderline, but there are many. RebeccaGreen (talk) 21:08, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
 * These are direct-to-videos or only on Funimation's on demand subscriber-only service. Grimgar might have shown on Netflix, but it is not clear it had a notable run as with My Hero Academia or other titles. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:51, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

With 30 main roles, you have a very difficult time convincing me that this isn't a notable voice actor. I'm not sure how many more main roles one has to get cast as if this isn't the very definition of notability. Additionally, the subject's roles of Charmy Papittoson (Black Clover), Popuko (Pop Team Epic) and Zeno (Dragon Ball Super) are broadcast on Toonami. [1 ] [2 ] [3 ]
 * Keep:  Notable voice actor with plenty of main roles in Funimation and Sentai Filmworks dubs. I will now list them all.
 * 1) Alice and Zoroku - Sana Kashimura
 * 2) Bikini Warriors - Mage
 * 3) Castle Town Dandelion - Hikari Sakurada
 * 4) Classroom of the Elite - Kikyo Kushida
 * 5) Convenience Store Boy Friends - Miharu Mashiki
 * 6) Gonna be the Twintail - Aika Tsube
 * 7) Grimgar of Fantasy and Ash - Shihoru
 * 8) Harukana Receive - Kanata Higa
 * 9) How Heavy Are the Dumbbells You Lift? - Akemi Soryuin
 * 10) How Not to Summon a Demon Lord - Shera L. Greenwood
 * 11) Interviews with Monster Girls - Yuki Kusakabe
 * 12) Katana Maidens - Kanami Eto
 * 13) Keijo - Non Toyoguchi
 * 14) Land of the Lustrous - Phosphophyllite
 * 15) Love Live Sunshine - Ruby Kurosawa
 * 16) Luck and Logic - Valkyrie
 * 17) Magical Girl Raising Project - Kano Sazanami
 * 18) Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid - Toru
 * 19) Orange - Azusa Muranaka
 * 20) Pop Team Epic - Popuko
 * 21) Puzzle & Dragons X - Sonia
 * 22) Senran Kagura: Shinovi Master - Yozakura
 * 23) Tada Never Falls in Love - Teresa Wagner
 * 24) Teasing Master Takagi-san - Takagi
 * 25) Tokyo ESP - Rinka Urushiba
 * 26) Tokyo Ghoul Re: - Saiko Yonebayashi
 * 27) Tsugumomo - Kiriha
 * 28) Tsuredure Children - Chizuru Takano
 * 29) Urahara - Kotoko Watatsumugi
 * 30) Zombieland Saga - Lily Hoshikawa

I don't necessarily agree with the notion that a voice actor must have their shows broadcast on television to be considered notable, since Funimation is the most notable anime dubbing company in the entire United States of America, but I thought I might mention the Toonami broadcasts since Angus likes to use that as an indicator to test for notability. We live in the digital age, where online streaming is the more preferred method of consumption amongst anime fans, especially in the US. Furthermore, the subject has also been in a good number of anime conventions, as seen here. A total number of 7, from what I could see.

PS: I also disagree with the delete votes above regarding the lack of reliable sources. The official Funimation website is a reliable source, and so is Anime News Network's news section. I am having a difficult time comprehending the claims about the lack of reliable sources, given that the majority of sources cited are from either of the two websites above.

PS2: Subject is mentioned on several ANN reviews as well. [1 ] [2 ] [3 ] [4 ] [5 ] [6 ] [7 ] [8 ] [9 ][10 ] [11 ]

Sure, the article may need some work, but with consideration of all the reviews I've linked above, as well as interviews with the subject, we could definitely work on expanding it with more information.

EDIT: Just in case it wasn't clear enough, I think based on the subject's numerous lead roles, she easily meets WP:NACTOR criterion #1: Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions. Sk8erPrince (talk) 10:18, 4 September 2019 (UTC)


 * In reviewing the Toonami roles: Black Clover Charmy is supporting among the gazillion supporting characters for the show, so it's not a main. Pop Team Epic is one-off guest. The shows are episodic one-offs with different voice actors each episodes. Dragon Ball Super Zeno is more notable supporting. Cast announcements are passing mentions and WP:ROUTINE coverage. Yes, they should have broadcasts outside their immediate direct-to-video offerings, so if those shows hit Netflix or Amazon, that's at least one step removed from the direct Funimation / Crunchyroll (which shows only the sub version and very rarely shows the dub version). It's not a question of whether she actually voiced in a number of shows; those can be dug up with credits, primaries and otherwise. I may concede that since the previous draft, she has appeared in more national anime conventions outside of her area.  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 13:49, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
 * , even if you disregard the Pop Team Epic role, the subject still has plenty of main roles (and by that, I mean in the 20s), and even more than some of the voice actors that currently have their own articles. It's unfair that seiyu only need 3 main roles to secure their own article, even though they might not have any biographical information worth writing for.
 * For this subject, I think it's really just a matter of expanding the article with reviews and a chronology of when the roles were cast, much like Luci Christian and Erika Harlacher. Adding interviews about what the subject thinks about her roles as well as biographical information would help too. I personally think the article could use more work, but if you ask me, the subject is very notable in her field with all her lead roles. Sk8erPrince (talk) 14:03, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
 * , if there are biographical articles, that would help. That's what the other ones have, well besides that Luci has a ton of main roles in prominent shows and Erika has more starring roles in video games. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:30, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
 * , the few roles for the Japanese ones are different because the VA originated the voice role instead of merely dubbing it. This would be like if the Japanese VA dub voiced English language shows and films and the only things available were cast announcements and credits AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:59, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Yet, there are reviews regarding the subject (as linked above), so clearly, it's not just mere cast announcements and credits. There *is* article worthy material here. At this point, I'll just let other people comment and let the AFD run its course. Sk8erPrince (talk) 02:37, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Yet, there are reviews regarding the subject (as linked above), so clearly, it's not just mere cast announcements and credits. There *is* article worthy material here. At this point, I'll just let other people comment and let the AFD run its course. Sk8erPrince (talk) 02:37, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 12:35, 5 September 2019 (UTC)


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