Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saraiki Castes


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The result was delete.  MBisanz  talk 03:18, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Saraiki Castes

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In Pakistani English the word Tribe is used only with barbarians, while the word caste is used with clans. Wikipedia does not use Pakistani English so WP:COMMONNAME was invoked (I assume) to create the article List of Saraiki tribes. The creator of this article i.e. Saraiki Castes has duplicated the material already present, and added his OR to create a new article. Even though unintentional, this is still a mistake, so the article should be deleted. I tagged it for CSD but another user, who was not aware of the misunderstanding removed the CSD, so I have headed to XFD. 2Joules (talk) 16:22, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your coordination. Actuallay the page Saraiki tribe does not fulfill the requirement due to uncatagorization and mixing of different ethnicities of saraiki people. In my page Saraiki castes, I catagorized all saraiki speaking different ethnical groups with their sub castes. You can see the page. This page is not in final condition. It will take so much time to complete it with details of each saraiki speaking ethnicity and castes. But the page saraiki tribes, is uncomplete and does not fulfill the purpose. It is also a factor that their is no tribal system in sariki area but there is caste system so the page title is also wrong which should be deleted. Engr.ismailbhutta (talk) 16:47, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete It doesn't look like there is any such thing as a "Saraiki Caste". --regentspark (comment) 18:10, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Doesn't that simply equate to Saraiki-speaking social groups? If that's the case, this information is encyclopedic and would be welcome in mainspace, if it were sourced. – Uanfala (talk) 22:38, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete after checking for the need of any content merge. There are no "Saraiki castes" unless someone is able to prove (based on RS) that caste boundaries overlap with language boundaries; which however is not the case AFAIK. Similarly, there are no "Hindko castes". Of course, an article "Castes in Punjab" would stand, Punjab being a culturally and ethnically distinct geographic area.
 * I am also trying to see whether any rename would work, but it does not seem likely - there are no clear, objective criteria of listing individual castes in the article, so it fails WP:INDISCRIMINATE. — kashmīrī  TALK  08:25, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The clear, objective criterion for inclusion is whether a social group (or a section of it) are speakers of Saraiki. That doesn't necessarily imply that the entirety of the group are speakers of Saraiki. – Uanfala (talk) 09:12, 19 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Userfy or rename. First off, in this part of the world it is common for the literature on a given language to list the social groups that make up the population of speakers, so the content of this article definitely is encyclopedic. Its author initially added this content to Saraiki language, and created a separate article only after their addition was reverted. I don't think it ought to have been revereted, at least not for the reasons stated. The real problem with this content is that it's entirely unsourced. Because of that I would prefer to see it moved into the creator's userspace, where they will be able to work on it. And if we don't want to move articles out of the mainspace simply because they're unsourced, then this ought to be renamed to List of Saraiki-speaking social groups (to avoid any further misunderstandings), and possibly merged with List of Saraiki tribes (itself awkwardly named and entirely unsourced). Noting also the exsitence of Saraiki people: though of all these articles this is the one whose existence I'm finding it most difficult to justify. – Uanfala (talk) 09:08, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Uanfala, I don't think this should be moved to the creator's userspace unless they can show that sources do exist for the stuff they've listed in the article and unless they express the desire to work on the article in userspace. (Apparently, they want it deleted though their style of writing is not exactly easy to follow.)--regentspark (comment) 13:09, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
 * They want List of Saraiki tribes deleted. — kashmīrī  TALK  20:31, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. – Uanfala (talk) 09:17, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. – Uanfala (talk) 09:17, 19 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete This is entirely unsourced. In fact, even the existence of specific subdivisions within the Saraiki population is unsupported since the actual Saraiki people article is threadbare. Anybody could have made up this list of castes themselves. Even if it were genuine, what purpose does this serve that a category wouldn't, anyway? None that I can think of. MezzoMezzo (talk) 10:25, 25 June 2018 (UTC)


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