Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saraikistan


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Any merger discussions can continue through normal processes. postdlf (talk) 19:54, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Saraikistan

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Over the last year the article has became a battleground of those who want to keep it and those who blank and redirect the page to Bahawalpur Janubi Punjab. This edit war unfortunately has political overtones, as the word "Saraikistan" has been coined and promoted by a minority separatist movement in central Pakistan, with "stan" suggesting an independent administrative entity. "Bahawalpur Janubi Punjab" on the other hand has been proposed by different political actors to denote a geographical area. While the two terms differ in genesis, usage and emotional load, they refer to broadly similar (albeit apparently not the same) region. Currently, unlike Saraikistan, BJP article does not even mention the word "Saraikistan" nor an existence of any pro-independence/pro-autonomy sentiment in the region, so until this is fixed, blank-and-redirect does not seem justified to me. But I will appreciate to hear other editors' view.  kashmiri TALK  00:15, 7 August 2013 (UTC)  kashmiri  TALK  00:15, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:12, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:12, 7 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - "Saraikistan" is about the whole region of the particular ethnicty, whereas the "Bahawalpur Janubi Punjab" is merely a proposed province. We should not mess these things, an edit-war should not be concluding to nomination of deletion. Fai  zan  01:35, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
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 * Comment If there is a divided lack of consensus about this subject, it's not the time to just delete the article from one side of a debate. This needs to be discussed or some sort of dispute resolution sought, not a simple delete. I can guarantee that this will just cause some people to recreate the page and create animosity. 69.125.134.86 (talk) 03:17, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Reliable sources in Pakistan have discussed this proposed autonomous region for quite a few years, and the nominator has not advanced any policy-based argument for deletion.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  03:33, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comments above. For those who wonder why the article has been submitted to AfD - see WP:BLAR.  kashmiri TALK  07:57, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge/Redirect Bahawalpur Janubi Punjab to Saraikistan, as both articles are on the same region. Saraikistan (a province for Siraiki speaking people) has been long a demand of certain quarters in Pakistan, and the region comprising of Saraiki speaking people in majority was named Bahawalpur Janubi Punjab in a proposal during Pakistan Peoples Party's government (2008-2013). So precisely Bahawalpur Janubi Punjab is a redundant fork of the other. Besides I suggest including Bahawalpur Janubi Punjab in this AfD, for better understanding of the issue. -- S M S  Talk 12:35, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Saraikistan is not just a term coined up by Saraiki nationalists, it is actually often used to refer to the native region of the Saraiki people - like Pashtunistan, Balochistan, Punjab region etc. It is actually the name given to an ethno-linguistic region. The name Bahawalpur Janubi Punjab on the other hand is a recently-coined political term that has been used as a proposed name for the Saraiki province, and is an alternative of the historical name "Saraikistan". Given that the proposal for a "Bahawalpur Janubi Punjab" province has not yet materialised, I think Bahawalpur Janubi Punjab should be redirected to this article for the time being, or to Saraiki nationalism. Or an even better idea would be to keep that article too and rename it to Southern Punjab as that is the dominant geographical name used for that part of Punjab.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 16:51, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep There seems to be some sort of edit war/lack of consensus going on so deleting the article before a consensus is reached seems to be premature.Red Fiona (talk) 13:50, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep and Merge Bahawalpur Janubi Punjab to These Article That name Saraikistan has historical importance, on the other hand Bahawalpur Janubi Punjab was unpopular PPP proposal and also rejected by Saraiki people. Merging Bahawalpur Janubi Punjab to Saraikistan will be a fair solution. Samudrakula (talk) 12:51, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
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