Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saran (actor)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. T. Canens (talk) 17:16, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Saran (actor)

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Fails WP:NACTOR, dubious notability and cannot find any sources. Sheldybett (talk) 14:43, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom - fails WP:NACTOR. The article even says "who acts mainly in supporting roles" - not a claim of notability. Also fails WP:GNG. Jmertel23 (talk) 18:55, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Ceethekreator (talk) 19:46, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Ceethekreator (talk) 19:46, 4 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Weak keep pending evidence that the actor actually fails NACTOR (which guideline the nom initially mislinked). Our articles on both Kadal (2013 film) and Sagaa imply his roles were fairly significant, and while I haven't personally seen either film to verify this I doubt either of the above delete !votes has either. I also don't know if the films are actually notable, but if their lack of notability is going to be used to delete this article, those articles need to be deleted first. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 02:17, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - does not meet WP:ANYBIO or WP:NACTOR - no notable roles, contribution or coverage - the two citations are to film reviews, not articles about Saran - does not meet any notability guideline - Epinoia (talk) 22:04, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 * You're the third person to say he doesn't meet NACTOR but the first since I pointed out that he probably does, so I guess I'll ask you: Has had significant roles in multiple notable films I guess depends on how you define "multiple", but do you think two is not enough? Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 23:23, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 * - Oxford defines multiple as "having or involving several parts" and defines several as "more than two" - also, they have to be significant roles, in the films cited Saran has supporting roles - also, they have to be notable films, neither of the films mentioned meet WP:NFILM, "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" or any of the 5 criteria of WP:NFO - Epinoia (talk) 23:57, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 * "supporting" and "significant" are not mutually exclusive. In one of the films I cited he was the lead, and in the other he appears to have been the lead for the first part of the film before the time skip (?). Did you read my comment? in the films cited Saran has supporting roles implies not. Also, as I said above, if you are going to argue that an actor is not notable because his significant film roles have been in non-notable films, you need to AFD those articles first, since topics with standalone articles that appear at a glance to cite multiple reliable sources are presumed notable. Would I be correct in guessing that your assumption to the contrary is that you yourself had not heard of them? Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 00:29, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * - an indication of the significance of a role is the cast listing; in Kadal he is listed 12th in a cast of 15; in Sagaa he is listed 4th out of 6 characters; in Jilla he is listed 27th; in Vada Chennai he is listed 18th out of a cast of 19 - based on that I would say that his roles are not significant - the article tries to inflate the importance of his roles with dramatic language, "He became hero" and "held a pivotal role" - WP:NOTPROMOTION - as far as I know there is no guideline that says that non-notable films must be nominated for AfD before non-notable actors - Epinoia (talk) 01:48, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * in Sagaa he is listed 4th out of 6 characters Are you reading the IMDb page? Neither Wikipedia nor IMDb are reliable sources, but in this case Wikipedia appears to be more in-depth, and therefore likely correct; the IMDb cast list appears to be arranged in alphabetical order, with all but one actor given mononymically by their given name. Please be a bit more careful in the future. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 02:30, 10 May 2019 (UTC)


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