Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saranga Shrestha


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. There are no credible arguments for delete other than the nominator. Several sources have been posited as providing SIGCOV, and since multiple of these (but not all) have remained unchallenged over a period of time, I judge consensus to be keep. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 15:52, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Saranga Shrestha

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Fails WP:NACTOR. Translations of the presented sources do not show any significant coverage related to the subject's career as an actress or a dancer. IMDb Link credits her for insignificant roles in two movies. Not meeting minimum requirements per WP:GNG either. I am open to the reassessment of non-English sources by an expert in Nepalese language. Hitro talk 14:46, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Hitro talk 14:46, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
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 * Keep: On WP:NEXIST basis. I will attempt to convince you of the same (I do have a bias as the creator of the article.)
 * I started creating this one back when I wouldn't first collect sources before starting on the article. This actor is notable. But I can't prove it on strict Wikipedia standards. I don't have access to offline sources and we don't have a reliable and prolific online source on entertainment in Nepal. So, having started the article, I left the article with all the hopefully non-controversial sources I could find, hoping I'd at least established that the actor is real and notable based on NPOSSIBLE.
 * First off, this is the state of the article on the most successful Nepali actress in history. This is the case because she went in decline before the internet became a big thing in Nepal. It's the same case with our subject, although she was not nearly as successful. I could beef up both with iffy sources. I chose not to.
 * For example, this gives 23 film credits for our subject and this one gives 25. Almost all of them were as lead actress or co-lead as love interest of the protagonist. I didn't use these sources because they're not standard reliable sources but on the other hand, I think they do meet the spirit of the WP:SOURCE statement that appropriateness of any source depends on the context since there's little reason to fabricate filmography of a retired actress who's moved on from her profession as well as country, not to mention these sources are used in almost all other articles on Nepali film.
 * I am certain there's plenty of offline RS coverage of her during her prime, which was most of the 90s and early 2000s. I can see at least half a dozen credits of those 23-25, which anyone from Nepal who knows anything about Nepali film would know of. Like: Aago - A big name pro-maoist propaganda feature released during the maoist insurgency, which generated plenty of controversy and earned some dough at the back of that controversy, but also got banned and generated freedom of expression/censorship debates, which was had again when it re-shot and re-released after the insurgency ended, even leading to a sequel.
 * This is the extent of what I'm willing to say in defence of this article. I do think it will contribute to systemic bias in Wikipedia if it is deleted, but other than that I am not really going to lose sleep over this one. I certainly wouldn't create this article now, but I wouldn't go as far as deleting it either. Usedtobecool  ✉️ ✨ 18:58, 10 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep: I quickly found an RS for this article, on my first google search ~ that I have edited into the article ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 14:00, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * , As I said earlier that I am open to revaluation of the sources, but this is not something that can help in establishing notability. I recommend you to understand WP:GNG before !voting keeps in AfDs. Regards <b style="color:Green; font-family:Times New Roman">Hitro</b><b style="color:#FF00FF; font-family:courier; font-size:small"> talk</b> 07:58, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * It, nonetheless, supports NPOSSIBLE. As such, I appreciate the effort. I don't think we ought to be judging who understands which policies, with any amount of certainty. Let's leave that to uninvolved editors who will close the discussion. Usedtobecool  ✉️ ✨ 08:30, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * , No it is not like we need to leave the things to the closing administrator. This not how AfDs work. This is not the forum to create indiscriminate possibilities to misguide the discussion and eventual road to consensus. We are trying to reach consensus and community needs to discuss before reaching the consensus. We need to make policy based rationale to keep or delete the article. Read and understand these policies and guidelines, this what is written in WP:BEFORE. I have made policy based nomination, I did my research before bringing this article here. I came across few passing mentions that I deemed not enough for demonstrating notability. Even you made it clear that there are lack of online sourcing and you have not produced any instant of offline sourcing yet. This is not the kind of sourcing that is required to be discussed to demonstrate WP:GNG. Please read WP:DISCUSSAFD, there are some expectations from the users who are taking part in AfDs. You don't need to vote on everything. <b style="color:Green; font-family:Times New Roman">Hitro</b><b style="color:#FF00FF; font-family:courier; font-size:small"> talk</b> 10:09, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * All I meant to say was, the first sentence of your comment was sufficient to make your point as it relates to this AfD. Perhaps we disagree on that, but since that's not what we're trying to resolve here, let's leave it at that. To be clear, I do think I've supplied enough evidence to assure editors that offline sources do/must exist even if I can't provide them. But I do understand that ... once an article's notability has been challenged, merely asserting that unspecified sources exist is seldom persuasive, ... and so I leave it at the capable hands of the community to decide its fate. My non-chalance is mainly to do with how little there is to write about the subject currently, and how easily the content can be recovered/recreated when the sources become available (neither of which is a reason to delete though). Usedtobecool  ✉️ ✨ 10:52, 14 July 2019 (UTC)


 * ~ Nice to meet you ~ as I said I quickly found a RS mentioning her and several other performers in the United States about a Nepali actor/performers~ if I ~ being so (inexperienced) as to find a RS mentioning someone from Nepal in such a large city as Baltimore ~ I'm sure an editor with more experience (and a faster computer) would be able to find more information quickly ~ and I think that a mention of her in the Baltimore Sun is worth mentioning, I understand it is not a slam dunk but every little bit helps ~ Also !voting is open to any one for any reason ~ and telling me I should understand one of wiki's WP:GNG ~ before I vote ~ is like telling me don't vote for this candidate because I can't speak his language ~ it's quite improper ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 12:57, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Delete:No coverage whatsoever on Google news or anywhere. Fails WP:NACTOR Ozar77 08:37, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
 * So, you're back, eh? I recommend reading WP:SOCKPUPPET, WP:AFD and WP:GNG before you resume editing on Wikipedia. Feel free to ask at the WP:Teahouse if you find anything confusing. Good luck! Usedtobecool  ✉️ ✨ 11:00, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Just Chilling (talk) 16:57, 17 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep: Search of Native Name (सारंगा श्रेष्ठ) gives a some good references like 1, 2 that provides WP:SIGCOV of the actress in respect to her acting career. Given that this is one of the oldest movies in Nepal, it is hard to find reference for the actress and the movie. But I found some references that talk about the movie 'Aago' here and here. The later talks also about more of the movies she has worked on. Also WP:GNGACTOR mentions that missing out WP:GNG doesn't mean the actor is not notable and it isn't required to have in-depth coverage of the individual in the reliable source. These references along with the ones already on the page is, I believe, enough to prove her notability, both for WP:SIGCOV and WP:NACTOR. Bishal Shrestha (talk) 00:25, 19 July 2019 (UTC)


 * (Reply to a comment now withdrawn:) Hello again Ozar77, you don't need to reaffirm your vote after the relisting. The closer evaluates the discussion all the way from the top. You can just put the word "delete" in one of the two between and it will prevent any confusion. Regards! (The way to sign your comment is to end your comment with four tildes, like this: ~  Usedtobecool  ✉️ ✨ 17:44, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * okay thanks. Ozar77 (talk) 03:50, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <span style="font:small-caps 1.2em Garamond,Times,serif;color:#227722;letter-spacing:0.2em;">‑Scottywong <span style="font:0.75em Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif;color:#442244;">| yak _ 06:38, 25 July 2019 (UTC)


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