Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sardar Jaff


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The result was   delete. Black Kite (t) (c) 01:06, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Sardar Jaff

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This article (created by ) contains a long list of printed references, however, it is impossible to verify its content with the help of independent online resources, and I don't believe that the listed sources back up the content of our article. Why? I was a bit surprised when I found four articles with identical list of references, including all details, such as paging. The other articles have been created by :

There's no evidence (aside from the copypasted list in our articles and two unreliable external links) confirming that the people are notable for Wikipedia. I suspect conflict of interest and possibly a sockpuppetry (note the similarity between the articles and usernames of the creators:, ). I'm including all the articles in this AfD nomination, as I think there's a significant similarity between the articles. However, I'll create separate discussions if objected. Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 11:59, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Mahmoud Jaff
 * 2) Mohammed Jaff
 * 3) Dawood Jaff
 * 4) Zaher Jaff
 * 5) Jaff
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Delete all - We can add another article, (Jaff), to the list. It too was written by and contains the identical list of references, as seen in this edit. Also, the edit is dated 10th June, therefore the list had to have been copypasted to Sardar Jaff, as seen in this edit, which is dated 18th June, eight days later. The same refrence list was copypasted to the Mahmoud Jaff article, also on the 10th June, as seen in this edit, and again to Zaher Jaff. as seen here. With the best good faith Shajaf can be said to have intentionally copypasted a bunch of references, however detailed and scholarly, to several articles to which they do not relate, ergo none of the six articles is credible, but most particularly Sardar Jaff, which got the ref list eight days later than the rest. As for sockpuppetry, it might be simply that Shajaf/Hjaf are quite innocently one new editor unsure as to what name to edit under and so no deception is intended. This is suggested by the fact that all five of Shajafs articles were substantially written on the 7th june, then Hjaf's single article is written on the 18th, a possible interim change of name. As for the conflict of interest, it would seem Shajaf/Hjaf is /are member/s of the Jaff tribe. It would seem to me acceptable that a tribe member write about the tribe as long as NPOV is maintained. Mark  Dask  09:25, 8 July 2011 (UTC) 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:36, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles 04:11, 21 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per above. Although just the fact that the references are printed rather than online is definitely insufficient grounds, this is most likely a sockpoppetry and some sort of vanity writing. Beta M (talk) 06:34, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - it is not that the references are printed - they are probably all sound references - but references to what, and to which article particularly? As things stand one might as well write an article about pink wool and cut and paste the same references. It is that they are being applied to all the articles irrespective of content that renders both references, and subsequently the articles, unsupportable. Mark   Dask  11:47, 21 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment. This article is about a leader of a Kurdish tribe.  I'd suggest that Jaff tribe would be a merger candidate for all of these, assuming the existence of the tribe is verifiable. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 15:22, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, it looks that the list of sources is copy-pasted directly from the article Jaff tribe. It is someone's attempt to push their family history to Wikipedia. I would agree with redirecting the article Jaff, but I disagree with keeping/merging the other articles, unless a really good and reliable source comes up. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 15:42, 21 July 2011 (UTC)


 * It seems from the record of Jaff tribe edits, going back to 16th April, as here, that Vejvančický is right - the references were cutandpasted from that date. - This means the entire Jaff series is suspect. Shajaf's talkpage demonstrates that his articles were suspect very early - but nothing came of the prods. I think Hjaf/Shajaf/ has had other names, but the raw fact is the copypasted refs for the entire Shagaf/Hjaf series of articles - as listed - are duplicitiously imported, possibly to cover a significant copyvio, as suggested here and here.  Mark   Dask  17:50, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
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