Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sarfraz Musawir


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. kelapstick(bainuu) 20:23, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Sarfraz Musawir

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Poorly referenced BLP. I dream of horses (T) @ 00:37, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete for now - He has actually gotten coverage over the years as shown here, here and here but nothing particularly in-depth and significant. SwisterTwister   talk  17:54, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * He has received in-depth coverage in Pakistan.  sami  talk 19:45, 7 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete-Per nom. And I keep on having to undo this edit telling them you can't use Wiki as a ref. Wgolf (talk) 00:16, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:03, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:03, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:03, 2 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep I have a simple argument. I open the search and see that about this artist has articles not only in Pakistan but also in other languages. So he's famous enough to take a place in Wikipedia. But information is not enough, really. I would like more. So I would put a considerable demand revision of this article.
 * Shad Innet (talk) 08:30, 4 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete the basic criterion for fine artists is major rcritical work, or works in major museums He has neither. The prize might be significant, but I have no information on it.  DGG ( talk ) 00:06, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep The subject appears to be notable such as DAWN 2004 DAWN 2011 THE NEWS. I agree with for revision of the article.  sami  talk 19:44, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep a notable biography as per provided references. The page just needs to be well cited. Umais Bin Sajjad (talk) 07:44, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 03:13, 8 June 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Davewild (talk) 07:14, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete None of the references are well known or international art or news sources, poorly referenced. A quick google search for news results in little to no results. Jooojay (talk) 07:54, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * The references I cited above are reliable.  sami  talk 11:54, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi  sami  talk, you cited a blog that features news and one local newspaper... If this is an international artist, there should be international art news. Jooojay (talk) 03:01, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I did not cite a blog(s). DAWN (newspaper) and The News International are reliable sources. The subject passes general notability criteria easily. The main concern of the nominator is poorly referenced BLP. The sources I cited backs the claims made in article. Instead of deleting the article, article can be improved and the information that poses threat should be deleted.  sami  talk 09:28, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I know 3 relists is unusual, but the debate seems to be at a juncture where the critical question is whether the sources cited meet our standards. I'm going to let this run for another week in the hope that we can converge on a clear answer to that. -- RoySmith (talk) 20:40, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 20:40, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment Of the fifteen references currently in the article, the one from DAWN (newspaper) fully seems to meet the criteria for contributing to notability, and the one from The News International is not really substantial enough (though it is more than a passing mention) but otherwise probably would. Most of the others seem to be from museums and galleries that have organised exhibitions of the subject's works and, while adequate to verify the exhibitions, contribute little or nothing towards the subject's notability. So currently the article seems to be rather the wrong side of borderline, and some quick Google searches have not produced sufficiently more quality English-language sources to be anywhere near certain of pushing it over the borderline. However, I suspect that my Google searches may have missed even some good English-language sources, and another couple of sources as good as the Dawn one, whether in English, Urdu or any other language, would probably be enough for notability. PWilkinson (talk) 17:54, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete: Fails notability threshold as well as WP:ARTIST. Quis separabit?  20:56, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep I found this by doing just a cursory search, as well as a mention in The Herald - Volume 36, Issues 1-3 - Page 133. There would also be more sources available in Urdu which can and should be cited here, to counter the systematic bias caused by a lack of English sources.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 09:20, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete: Sorry, no. The sources that folks have been posting are fleeting mentions at best, and in no way meet the standard of "significant coverage" the GNG requires.  Perhaps there are sources in Urdu, but of course we can't keep an article at AfD based on speculative suppositions: either the sources have been proven to exist or they haven't.  Nha Trang  Allons! 11:44, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


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