Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Satar Jabar


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The result was   redirect to Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse. Black Kite (t)  00:43, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Satar Jabar

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There is only one source, from 2004, that remains claiming that Satar Jabar is the person in the photo of a hooded man on a box with wires attached. Other mentions have been updated to remove this name from the attribution. There is no evidence a man named "Satar Jabar" was held as a prisoner in Iraq. An extensive search performed on ProQuest Newspaper database revealed no verifiable sources for this person existing, much less attributing the person in the photo is him. Mnnlaxer (talk) 18:10, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

See Talk:Satar Jabar for more detail. Mnnlaxer (talk) 18:25, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iraq-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 19:43, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 19:43, 9 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment. Here is an article in the English online edition of Der Spiegel discussing the identity of the man in the picture. If it is true, as is stated there and seems plausible, that several prisoners underwent this treatment, then it may be hard or impossible to identify the specific prisoner in this particular photograph, and about equally hard to conclusively rule out putative subjects. The name Satar Jabar is a plausible search term, though, and should not be just a redlink. --Lambiam 21:17, 9 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete or Rename There does appear to be enough confusion about who is actually in the photograph among reliable sources to make it troubling (for BLP reasons at the least) to have an article that asserts Satar Jabar is the person in the photograph. Another route besides deletion would be to rename the story 'The Man in the Hood' or some such and discuss the controversy around it - it's certainly a famous photograph and a notable topic, but the story really can't assert the subject's name as fact. Nwlaw63 (talk) 22:24, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse on BLP grounds; plausible search term, though. Sceptre (talk) 23:14, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure of protocol here since I started the discussion, but I would support an article about the photo with a See Also to Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse. And I'd be fine with just a redirect to same. Mnnlaxer (talk) 20:00, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect to a page on the event. Stuartyeates (talk) 05:56, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect per most of the above, with a nod to WP:BLP1E thrown in. Alzarian16 (talk) 16:05, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Alright, that's good for me. I will redirect to Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse. Do I need to do anything with this page? Do I wait until an admin redirects? --Mnnlaxer (talk) 19:52, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
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