Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Satariel (band)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) ~ Amkgp  💬  01:48, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Satariel (band)

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Notable? GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 12:25, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I am not convinced of this band's notability. The article's sourcing is beyond poor - the band's official site, Facebook, Myspace, Last.fm, Metal Archives and Youtube. None of these establish any notability. I looked them up and the results were mixed. I found two reliable sources: Metal Storm and an album review on Metal.de. Other than that, the rest of the results were all unreliable like the aforementioned sites, Google Play, Spotify, Amazon, Discogs, Wikipedia mirrors, lots and lots of trivial mentions and namechecks, and stuff where the word "Satariel" is not in the band's context. I also found some album reviews and interviews scattered here and there, but those sites all look like blogs to me. The article also has an "improve sources" tag on it since 2008. So I am not convinced of the notability of this band. But hey, if anyone found reliable sources other than the two I mentioned, I gladly withdraw my nomination. I did not found much reliable sources. Besides, I don't necessarily want to delete this page, just to talk about whether it's notable or not. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 12:22, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 12:25, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sweden-related deletion discussions. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 12:25, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep Meets WP:MUSIC with multiple albums on important labels within the genre - Hammerheart, Candlelight, Regain. Chubbles (talk) 13:10, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - Note that an "improved sources" tag is an invitation to improve an article, not necessarily to call for its deletion, no matter how long it has been sitting there. As for the band, they are obscure and underground, but most of their albums have received robust reviews at sites like Metal Observer and Metal Storm, and they have been signed to at least one notable label. There's not much out there, but possibly enough to barely pass #1 and #5 at WP:NBAND. If the article survives, I volunteer to clean it up. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 16:35, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - Yes, Candlelight, Regain and Hammerheart are major metal record labels. And as for the article, like I said, I did not necessarily wanted it to be deleted, just to talk about its notability as the sourcing is abysmal in the article and I did not found much reliable sources in Google. That's it. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 17:17, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * @: Do you speak/read Swedish? Sam Sailor 21:17, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * No I don't. I only vaguely knew very few words because the Swedish language is similar to English and German. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 22:01, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I think you'd find that that should be "No, I don't." not "No I don't". To avoid fragmentation, I took the liberty of moving your kind response up here, I hope you don't mind. Yes, you are indeed right, Swedish, English, and German are related and therefore similar, they all belong to the Germanic languages. I might be wrong, but it sounds like you are an anglophone monoglot? Would you be comfortable with an editor who did not fully comprehend English suggesting an article should be deleted about which mainly English language sources were present? Sam Sailor 22:42, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as per Doomsdayer as there is secondary coverage in reliable sources and they have committed to improve the article so deletion is no longer necessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 21:30, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Added two cite books, both in English, mind you. I have no doubts that this eventually meets WP:GNG. Sam Sailor 22:48, 4 July 2020 (UTC)


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