Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Satchel's Pizza (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure)  CAPTAIN RAJU  (✉)   01:44, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Satchel's Pizza
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This is a run-of-the-mill business and the article reads as a promotion. I acknowledge that this article survived an AfD five years ago, but I believe that WP has more robust notability guidelines now, for example at WP:NGEO. NoGhost (talk) 09:57, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. GSS  (talk |c|em ) 14:15, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. GSS  (talk |c|em ) 14:15, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions. GSS  (talk |c|em ) 14:15, 3 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep I believe that Satchel's Pizza fits the criteria for notability. It is a significant part of Gainesville's culture and has received wide coverage from newspapers and reviewers. To compare it to some existing articles, it's similar in scope to the 34th Street Wall, Alec Courtelis Award, and Constans Theatre, all of which have longstanding articles and similar or lesser outside coverage.
 * From the WP:NGEO page that you linked,
 * "Buildings, including private residences and commercial developments may be notable as a result of their historic, social, economic, or architectural importance, but they require significant coverage by reliable, third-party sources to establish notability."
 * Satchel's is a well-known business in Gainesville that has been covered extensively by local newspapers and a number of outside ones:
 * Jacksonville newspaper article that features Satchel's Pizza and covers its history
 * New York Times article that mentions Satchel's Pizza and acknowledges it as being locally famous.
 * Tampa Bay Times article mentioning Satchel's alongside all of Gainesville's other landmarks, including the Hippodrome State Theater, Florida Museum of Natural History, Payne's Prairie, and Devil's Millhopper.
 * Numerous articles from the local media such as the Gainesville Sun, The Alligator, WUFT, and WCJB.


 * It is the most reviewed Gainesville restaurant on TripAdvisor and the second most on Yelp, which demonstrates its popularity.
 * Regarding your claim that the article reads like a promotion, which sentences do you believe are out of place? All of the contents on the page help to establish the restaurant's notability and were in place during the original AfD. When I created the article, I included parts about the long wait times and the widely used bumper stickers because they show its local significance. If you feel that the article's wording is poor, then that's a good reason for cleanup and expansion, not deletion. --Posted by Pikamander2   (Talk)  at 18:57, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 17:02, 10 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep refernces given above meet GNG. MartinJones (talk) 18:40, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - "Run of the mill" business aren't covered in-depth by multiple reliable sources both local or non-local as this business which clearly demonstrates passing WP:N has.--Oakshade (talk) 20:59, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep, per above. -- do ncr  am  02:08, 13 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep, There has been a number of notable matters brought up which are: 1) "I believe that Satchel's Pizza fits the criteria for notability. It is a significant part of Gainesville's culture and has received wide coverage from newspapers and reviewers. To compare it to some existing articles, it's similar in scope to the 34th Street Wall, Alec Courtelis Award, and Constans Theatre, all of which have longstanding articles and similar or lesser outside coverage." 2) Jacksonville newspaper article that features Satchel's Pizza and covers its history: New York Times article that mentions Satchel's Pizza and acknowledges it as being locally famous; Tampa Bay Times article mentioning Satchel's alongside all of Gainesville's other landmarks, including the Hippodrome State Theater, Florida Museum of Natural History, Payne's Prairie, and Devil's Millhopper; Numerous articles from the local media such as the Gainesville Sun, The Alligator, WUFT, and WCJB. Dean Esmay (talk)


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