Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Satellites LV


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep. WjBscribe 04:19, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Satellites LV

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Conflict of interest and questionable notability. The creator and major editor of this article (apart from a couple of IP editors) is Edgarszilde who is a member of the band. Band doesn't have an website, only a MySpace (99 friends, 1191 profile views), their MySpace lists this article as their website. Google gets 161 hits, a lot of which relate to the other members' projects or are to buy/download their music. Only claims of notability are radio airplay and music video screenings in Latvia; winning the Grand Prix of the biggest rock music festival in the Baltic States "Liepajas Dzintars" (whatever that means); and winning two prestigious Latvian Music Awards in 2003 (Best instrumental album of the Year and the best debut award) misread, award was for side project album. But still... it's so conflict of interest! If this article goes, can someone delete the album articles and all the images too. kollision 10:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Answer: First of all, it seems that the conflict of interest is based on the lack of knowledge on music scene in the Baltic States. It is important for me to educate the reader that the population of Latvia is less then 4 million. Only 60% of whom are Latvian origin. This concludes that bands popularity and importance in this country can not be based on millions of webpage hits. This alternative band self releases its recordings, therefore does not depend on any music companies and is respected only by smaller group of people. Of course "whatever that means" music festival, as you call it, in readers home town, assuming it is Texas or even NY, is without any significance, but lets not forget that www is created for everyone in the world and not just for Canada or the US. This band is significant in its region and culture, therefore it is also important that anybody in the world can access this information. Thank you. Is Wikipedia MTV, FOX and Hollywood representative, or informative and educational internet portal? What is critical here? To write about popular but ordinary pop stars who have their own webpages (payed by companies) and millions of google hits, or educate people about more significant and sapid cultural activities of the world?
 * Note that the above comment is made up of contributions by an anonymous user and Edgarszilde. Also note that my above "whatever that means" comment was at the winning the Grand Prix bit, as in 'how can you win the grand prize of a music festival'. But nevermind. Nothing against your band, but this is Wikipedia, therefore the band must be notable (see Notability (music)) and this article should not be used for self-promotion or advertising (see Conflict of interest), plus you could do with some Attribution. If this article gets pass this AfD, I will personally help to clean it up. And remember to sign comments with four tildes ( ~ ) - kollision 14:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Notability:

As I read through the notability list, Satellites LV has had several charted hits, shows abroad, full albums, singles, newspaper and other printed media articles and interviews. I must add that Satellites LV includes in itself many musical projects who have released records in Russia and Japan. Satellites LV is more considred a group of active (10 years) and mutually conected musicians rather than just an ordinary band. It has won awards and has received positive reviews from critics. Satellites LV is notable in its region. Most of the information online is in Latvian, therefore unavailable to you. About self promotion: This article does not advertise any websites or new albums, singles, posters, t-shirts, or any other merchandise. It has been added clearly only for information purposes.

Attribution:

Satellites LV with their side project Kuba - http://cdbaby.com/cd/kuba http://www.post-rock.lv/lat.htm#sat http://www.tvnet.lv/izklaide/article.php?id=479775 http://www.tvnet.lv/izklaide/music/Video/article.php?id=5874 http://www.doremi.lv/index.php?genre=7&artist=387&album=0&show_album=1


 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mailer Diablo 11:21, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete Sadly self-released records and winning an award whose notability is itself in doubt, is just not notable - as the original editor himself says they are "respected only by smaller group of people". StuartDouglas 12:52, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep: Actually, this turns up a couple hundred unique hits on the Latvian Google, which is a pretty high total for a national Google serving a country about two thirds the population of Massachusetts.  I'm willing to wait on a more complete article.  RGTraynor 13:54, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. I think we have/ could have multiple reliable sources. Ab e g92 contribs 16:40, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Expand and improve. Acalamari 18:27, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, but it does need some work. Realkyhick 22:27, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

So, what happens now? Am I allowed to delete this and improve the site? What are the steps? Edgars
 * You should feel free to improve the article at any time; in most cases doing so materially improves the chances of an article's survival. With an AfD a week old, running with a clear consensus to Keep, the odds the article will be deleted are now enormously slender.  Deleting the AfD notice and formally closing this debate will be done by the closing admin.  RGTraynor 18:58, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.