Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saucerers and Gondoliers


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The result was redirect to Dominic Green (science fiction writer). (non-admin closure) – Davey 2010 Talk 01:03, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Saucerers and Gondoliers

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No assertion of notability. Not enough coverage in reliable sources to verify or sustian article. Fails general notability guidelines and WP:NBOOK. Best case redirect to Dominic Green (science fiction writer). The highest quality review I could find was Smashswords. Based on its Amazon page I am not even sure it is available as a physical book. J bh Talk  22:27, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:50, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect to author. Not an independently notable book: no coverage even in trade publications. Green's own page urgently needs improved with better sourcing. You could argue for a merge, but the total lack of sources says maybe not. Colapeninsula (talk) 11:13, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I tried to find material on Green himself; aside from some sf zines/websites of questionable RS-ness there's very little - clearly someone who writes sf short stories and kids' books isn't going to get much coverage in mainstream media, but it's very minimal coverage by any standard. Colapeninsula (talk) 12:46, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JAaron95  &#40; Talk &#41;  12:13, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect per above. I can't find anything to show that this is independently notable outside of its author. As far as his notability goes, I'll try to find some sources. He was nominated for a Hugo and that's not a small thing, but we need to know at what level - was he on the final ballot or was he nominated by someone on the jury? The Hugo jury is comprised of about 5,000 people and I need to quote the following sentence; "But the Hugo Awards nomination process is open to every member of the current and previous Worldcon." This means that theoretically if the author or one of his friends was at Worldcon, they could nominate his book. Award nominations don't count towards notability if they don't win, but I'm mostly emphasizing this because while it's not one of those "anyone can submit and be nominated" type of deals it's also not exactly overwhelmingly difficult to get someone to nominate you either. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  04:58, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Looks like he was on the final ballot, which is good. I was afraid that I'd look and find nothing, meaning that he was mentioned somewhere but wasn't on the final ballot. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  05:00, 4 July 2015 (UTC)


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