Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saw: Das Spiel


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The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 03:45, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Saw: Das Spiel

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Does not appear to meet any of the three notability guidelines listed under Notability (web). The 4 sources also lend no notability, with 1 being to a forum, 1 to the game itself, and 2 to gaming websites that do not appear to satisfy Reliable source. Staxringold talkcontribs 04:11, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions. MrKIA11 (talk) 13:39, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - This is, while a short article, a fundamental piece of the Saw media franchise, which makes the notability guidelines disputable because it is a piece of a multimedia franchise which is definitely notable, inherently making a key piece of media notable as well. There are plenty of reliable sources for this article, I had just never added them, but I will tonight, making this a lesser argument. Because this is a German game, there are less english sources than ideal, but the media franchise is American/australian, making it still relevant to the english wikipedia. I am going to work on getting more sources and connecting the article better to the rest of the franchise, so this article may be kept. GroundZ3R0 002 (talk) 00:43, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Being related to a source that is notable does not make something automatically notable. If, for example, I wrote a Saw comic book right now it would not be notable simply for being a Saw-related piece of media. If you can source it up and establish notability though, that's another matter. Staxringold talkcontribs 04:29, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

UPDATE: After reviewing the deletion policy and notability guidelines, I realize that this individual game may not be entirely notable for the english wikipedia. So, I propose a move/merge to "Saw flash games" or something similar which would refocus the page on all of the four flash games of the Saw franchise. This would allow coverage of each almost-notable game together and make it entirely notable due to it covering multiple games equally. Thoughts or opinions?GroundZ3R0 002 (talk) 21:48, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fan-made works are held to the same standards as any other subject; as Staxringold says above, simply existing or being "related" to a notable series does not prove notability on its own. In addition, the work is almost certainly non-notable if there are few or no reliable sources providing significant coverage of the subject (as is the case with this topic). Heavyweight Gamer (talk) 12:44, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - the relevent citations - flashgames.de and gamershood.com - do not come close to satisfying the general notability guideline. The remaining citations are used for WP:COATRACKs. Marasmusine (talk) 13:52, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete No reliable sources, not notable enough to stand on its own. Disagree with any merging, as there's no parent topic suitable enough, and it's irrelevant anyways as its not notable. --Teancum (talk) 13:45, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.