Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saya Misaki


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The result was keep. Picaroon 20:34, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Saya Misaki

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Article does not assert notability, and subject is not notable anyway. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 21:34, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep 35 DVDs at mainstream Amazon.com clearly indicate the subject is visible to a wide audience. The article is a on celebrity, and is not a vanity page. Use of "Notability" to delete articles on lesser-known celebrities is an abuse of the term. As a sign of her notability in Japan, out of the hundreds, if not thousands of actresses who have made adult video debuts yearly in Japan since the early 1980s, editors of Japanese Wikipedia give this actress a lengthy article. Pornography has long been, and continues to be a very significant part of Japanese popular culture, and English Wiki's coverage of the Japanese porn area is woefully lacking. Taking out two general articles and four articles on pink film actresses, the English Wikipedia, with going-on 2 million articles, currently has 57 articles in Category:Japanese porn stars. For comparison, Chinese Wikipedia, with less than 117,000 articles, has 67 articles on Japanese AV actresses. In 1994 it was reported that "approximately 14,000 "adult" videos were being made yearly in Japan compared with some 2500 in the U.S.". Also, "In addition to the influence of pornography on mainstream cinema, the line between pornography and family entertainment, such as daytime television, is blurred. It is not uncommon in Japan for a waning female television star or singer to feature in pornographic videos. Similarly, there are women actors from pornographic videos who move into daytime television." And further, "By the late 1970s the production of pink eiga together with Roman Porno amounted to more than 70% of annual Japanese film production." And finally, "The market for pornographic videos is worth Y400 billion annually, accounting for around 30 percent of [Japan]’s video rentals." With pornography's high visibility in Japan, her status as an AV idol gives her much higher notability in her country than her U.S. counterparts have in their country. To further chip away at Wikipedia's already meagre coverage of Japanese erotic cinema would be to further cultural bias. Dekkappai 22:33, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I've added the following to the article: Saya Misaki stands out in the AV field, where an average career spans about a year, with five to ten videos total.(quote: "If she’s only out for money, she will studiously avoid publicity and quit inside a year—the average life-span of an AV girl—with five or ten videos to her credit and an unknowing family bosom to return to.") Misaki's career, currently active, has spanned over three years during which she has appeared in at least 35 DVDs. Dekkappai 16:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Does the Japanese Wikipedia article provide any non-trivial sources? Epbr123 13:06, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletions.   -- Kusunose 03:58, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been added to the list of Porn star deletions. Dekkappai 16:13, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete notability still not established within the article as per WP:BLP--Sefringle 04:55, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Quoting from within the article: "Saya Misaki stands out in the AV field, where an average career spans about a year, with five to ten videos total.[1] Misaki's career, currently active, has spanned over three years during which she has appeared in at least 35 DVDs.[2]" Dekkappai 17:42, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:BIO. Needs at least one reliable source. Epbr123 17:06, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per Dekkappai. Clearly notable in Japan. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 22:08, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per Dekkappai and Disavian. Acalamari 22:27, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per Dekkappai Colincbn 12:46, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per Dekkappai, notable Japanese actress. RFerreira 17:19, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per Dekkappai. The Japanese article on her looks to be very long, and if someone knows enough Japanese to translate, they really should. LaMenta3 20:28, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.