Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sayyid Quṣayy Abū al-Siʿd


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The result was delete. Lankiveil (speak to me) 12:33, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Sayyid Quṣayy Abū al-Siʿd

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Okay, maybe I'm missing something. Not one of the existing citations appears to mention the subject. The last two of which are simply a blog. Searches turned up zero on any of the engines.  Onel 5969  TT me 02:50, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete: only working links are in Arabic (yes I know foreign-language links are not automatic causes for disqualification) which, however, have not been translated to clarify how this individual is notable. Article as it currently stands does not demonstrate notability. Quis separabit?  02:56, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iraq-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 06:38, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Searches do not turn up zero. There are different spellings of his name, such as Sheikh Qusay Abu S’id. Blogs are not disreputable on the Arabic web as they are on the English web. Several notable scholars working in Islamic Studies in the West are students of Sayyid Quṣayy, who is well known in Iraq (try putting his name into a search engine in Arabic). If you search the websites that constitute the references in notes 6 and 7 (using Sayyid Quṣayy and Sheikh Qusay respectively), you will see that two such scholars derive their scholastic credentials from him. The entry will be expanded and better referenced when time allows. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Şahn-ı seman 1240 (talk • contribs) 19:49, 8 November 2015 (UTC) — Şahn-ı seman 1240 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic, and is the article's creator.  Onel 5969  TT me 22:02, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - none of which help his notability. Regardless of what the Arabic web says, Wikipedia policy is that most blogs are unreliable, and those contained in the article wouldn't pass the RS test. And notability isn't inherited from his students.  Onel 5969  TT me 22:01, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments. Could you define "notability" in that case? The normative lexical sense is "worthy of attention, or notice; remarkable". According to the website that forms the references for notes 2 and 6, Sayyid Quṣayy is "one of the rare inheritors of the later Ottoman curriculum in its fullness." Now, rareness is a synonym of remarkableness, as any thesaurus will tell you. Incidentally that website, iequran.com, in one of the most major web and print scholarly encyclopedias of the Qur'an. Moreover, as it says in the entry, this scholar is one of the rare preservers of branches of knowledge that are almost extinct, such as astrolabe and traditional Islamic astronomy. Yes, there is no reference included for this, but if all the information in English wikipedia articles was also available elsewhere, there wouldn't be much to distinguish it, would there? Wikipedia also performs the function of providing information that is not entirely easy to find on the internet, surely? Moreover, wikipedia editors must be context-sensitive. Masters of traditional Islamic sciences are not very common, and so I think that having prominent students clearly demonstrates notability. It is not like being a high-school teacher who just happens to have prominent students. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Şahn-ı seman 1240 (talk • contribs) 10:03, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - Check out WP:GNG for the general notability guidelines. One of the criteria is depth of coverage, mentions are not given anywhere near the same weight. At GNG, you'll find links to other sets of criteria, depending the type of individual (e.g. athlete, scholar, etc.). Hope this helps.  Onel 5969  TT me 13:22, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam Sailor Talk! 15:01, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. Sam Sailor Talk! 15:09, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk  19:37, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. Having a hard time finding anything at all about the subject. Considering that he's from Iraq, I tried searching for the Arabic version of his name in GBooks and GNews, but to no avail. Many youtube videos though. It also appears that we're dealing with a living person, so unless better sources appear, this article should be deleted asap. - HyperGaruda (talk) 18:47, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Okay, go ahead and delete the entry. It's rather disconcerting just how much things are geared toward rewarding and celebrating pronouncements that a page should be deleted, based on very scanty evidence and superficial "research". There are literally tens if not hundreds of thousands of people in Iraq and elsewhere who would find calls to delete this page laughable if not offensive, but the last poster "can't find him on GBooks and GNews". Better delete the page then. Congrats for the truly remarkable scholarship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Şahn-ı seman 1240 (talk • contribs) 22:30, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
 * And you've had 3 weeks to improve the article, instead we get the sad diatribe above. Sad.  Onel 5969  TT me 23:37, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Just because you say he's notable, does not make him instantly notable; reliable sources are needed to prove this. We have these rules on Wikipedia to prevent any random guy from having an article and spreading lies. For example: I could equally say that I'm the last master in the art of medicine as taught by Ibn Sina, but would you believe that, if not a single book or newspaper even mentioned me (let alone devoted an entire chapter) being such a master? - HyperGaruda (talk) 07:11, 29 November 2015 (UTC)


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