Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sayyid Raphael Dakik


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  21:29, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Sayyid Raphael Dakik

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Article does not indicate how subject is notable per WP:GNG or WP:BIO. Being a descendant of Muhammad does not mean there is inherited notability. Google search for the name comes up lacking in significant discussion in multiple reliable sources. ... disco spinster   talk  04:53, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. ...  disco spinster   talk  04:53, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. Thanks,L3X1  ◊distænt write◊  05:40, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Maybe, but you should know that Sayyid Raphael is not only a usual descendant of Prophet Muhammad, but a descendant of a long chain of saints especially Sayyid Mir Jan. His great grandfather Sayyid Mir Muhammad Jan is considered a saint and was a highly respected Colonel, highly venerated by the Afghan Royals.(Kindly look at the sources, especially the compilation Tazkare Khanwade Hazrat Ishaan, which is an enycyclopedia and register of saints in Pakistan and India. Hence Sayyid Raphael Dakik is to be seen as a young representative of the household of Sayyid Mir Muhammad Jan and Sayyid Mir Jan, who are very closely related. Furthermore his carreer as a young leader is not to be ignored, which is another important reason why he has deserved to have a Wikipedia site. The reason why his ancestry is written in detail is due to the interesting history of his ancestors, for there are so many holy saints and even Askari Sayyids -an actual discussion and research topic in the global Shia Muslim community and the Hawzas in Najaf and Qom- in it, that is definitely of utmost interest and importance for Muslims. Especially the family of Sayyid Mir Muhammad Jan including Sayyid Sultan Masood Dakik and Sayyid Raphael Dakik are highly respected by thousands of people in Pakistan (especially Lahore as base), Kashmir (especially Srinagar as base) and Afghanistan (especially Mazar Sharif as base). They are the popes of their own followers in Pakistan, India and Afghanistan They are not one of millions of descendants of Prophet Muhammad, but members of the household of islamic saints of the industrial time (Sayyid Mir Jan Sayyid Mahmud Agha and Sayyid Mir Fazlullah Agha) which were and still today are highly respected. Even political authorities hold them in high respect as holy people, especially in Pakistan, Afghanistan and even the Wahabi Saudi royal family and Grand Ayatollahy especially the late Grand Ayatollah of Tabriz, Grand Ayatollah Malakuti and his family who have a strong family friendship. These three saints are even spiritial masters and retreats of the Ottoman Sultan Abdülhamit II and the Afghan royal family and present nobles and politicians, especially the Pakistani prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani. Furthermore they are even princes of the Muhammadzai dynasty. Sultan Masood Dakik is given his title "Sultan" by king Zahir Shah himself! If you let a person like Reza Pahlavi, Patrick Ali Pahlavi, Dündar Ali Osman have a Wiki, then you are supposed and oblieged to make a Wiki about H.E. Sayyid Sultan Masood Dakik and his son Sayyid Raphael Dakik, assisting him in his missions and having his own businesses and academic career. They both are the current heads of the family of Sayyid Mir Jan and Afghan royalities respected with special titles like Sultan (a nobler form of the title Sardar(which was usual for normal princes in Afghanistan), on the occasion of his relation to Prophet Muhammad) again by King Zahir Shah himself! The reason is furthermore that their nobility is vested in their political and charity works, what makes these Wikis far more superior than other royals or nobles. They are strongly connected to the global Elite and do Lobbyism for the sake of orphan children and disadvantaged people and not for the sake of money. And that with success! Isn´t that next to a high genealogical nobility not notable enough? As business magnates they both are even contributing to CO2-Reduction and revolutionizing oil business with Bio-fuels like Jatropha in cooperation with the House of Saud next to various other projects! They have a high influence on NEOM city! Furthermore Sultan Masood Dakik is very often the topic in German Media, may it be on more than 10 newspaper articles, TV, internet etc. Examples (when you just give his name in Google under "news"): 1. https://rp-online.de/nrw/staedte/wesel/der-gute-mensch-aus-afghanistan_aid-21571749 2. https://www.derwesten.de/staedte/nachrichten-aus-wesel-hamminkeln-und-schermbeck/er-hat-ein-herz-fuer-die-menschen-id10314011.html 3. https://rp-online.de/nrw/staedte/wesel/der-mutmacher-im-fluechtlingsheim_aid-21637531 4. https://rp-online.de/nrw/staedte/wesel/weseler-will-weltweit-helfen-c02-zu-senken_aid-21513291 5. https://www.uni-hohenheim.de/pressemitteilung?&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=27426&cHash=5c16a692f64cb108a88cb6b3ef5429cb (This Elitarian German University literally calls him "His Excellence"!) 6. https://www.proplanta.de/agrar-nachrichten/wissenschaft/jatropha-speichert-kohlendioxid-und-liefert-bio-kerosin_article1429878904.html 7. https://rp-online.de/nrw/staedte/wesel/syrer-sehen-in-wesel-ihre-zukunft_aid-21739989 8. https://rp-online.de/nrw/staedte/wesel/schoenes-fest-aber-sorgen-um-zustrom_aid-21917923 9. https://rp-online.de/nrw/panorama/diese-menschen-helfen-fluechtlingen_bid-9528125 10. http://www.rp-online.de/nrw/panorama/fluechtlinge-die-willkommenskultur-am-rhein-aid-1.5279773 11. http://www.rp-online.de/nrw/staedte/wesel/asylbewerber-kehrt-freiwillig-zurueck-aid-1.5374955 12. http://www.rp-online.de/nrw/staedte/wesel/bruener-hilft-afghanischer-journalistin-aid-1.5620441 13. https://www.mz-web.de/sangerhausen/koeniglicher-besuch-in-sangerhausen-sultan-masood-dakik-will-fluechtlingen-helfen-23472304 and many more articles. I have overdriven with 13 articles so you can see that this person is a popular business man, revolutionizing oil business and accelerating renewable energy in the Middle East. He is also greatly known for his charity initiatives. Sultan Masood Dakik and Sayyid Raphael Dakik all in all are no "fake sufi saints" and nobodies, calling themselves "Lord" like Ahmed Amiruddin, charged because of sexual assault. Ahmed Amiruddin should be deleted and not His honorable Excellence Sultan Masood Dakik, highly respected by everyone. If such a sexual criminal and scammer like Sayyid Ahmed Amiruddin has a Wikipedia site and you want to delete Sultan Masood Dakik and his son, that is what they call: Intellectual Vandalism! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sayyid Mir Israfil (talk • contribs) 06:21, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Besides concerning Sultan Masood Dakik, we have just translated one to one the German version of his Wiki. And this was accepted!

discospinster, Ahmed Amiruddin should be deleted, but not the right honorable excellence Sayyid Sultan Masood Dakik

This is so unjust. I have given my arguments in the discussion and you are not able to say anything against it.

If you put such a disresepctful template you should think 10 times before or edit to improve by yourselves freely, instead of exposing this article to such a shameful template.

Sayyid Mir Israfil

I want everyone to stop acts of vandalism!

Sayyid Mir Israfil If you have anything to contribute than tell in the discussion page with arguments. Give your arguments against mine, surely you cannot bring forward any argument against us!. -Sayyid Mir Israfil

It is very offensive to edit around at my talking page and articles without having given ANY arguments against mine in the deletion discussion, which is already decided for our sake, for you AGAIN cannot bring ANY Arguments against us! -Sayyid Mir Israfil

If you have no arguments then STOP vandalizing around! -Sayyid Mir Israfil


 * Comment: the article's creator has been temporarily blocked for repeatedly removing the AFD template from the article. -- Kinu t/c 07:25, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - Not enough in-depth coverage from independent sourcing to meet WP:GNG. As the nom points out, notability is not inherited.  Onel 5969  TT me 16:50, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Save: actually I think that this article should also stay.

We can maybe shorten the problematic passages. But all in all it should stay.

Yours sincerely

- Sayyid Assadullah Musavi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:D1:CF14:CE88:2467:EB93:E8E0:75FD (talk) 11:52, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

This article should stay snd be saved. Even when there is only one sentence, it should be saved, because he is a very young leader with a bright furture.

Ali Reza Rizvi Sadaat — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ali Reza Rizvi Sadaat (talk • contribs) 12:05, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Save, Save! DO NOT DELETE!:

Honorable Wikipedia community,

My name is Ghulam Hasan and I am from Lahore, Pakistan. I come to see the Wikipedia page and was very happy, but also shocked...

Sayyid Mir Muhammad Jan is very well known in Lahori history. In Lahore we have wells named after him, because he helped so many orphans there.

Sayyid Raphael also digged new wells in Pakistan in 2019 in the name of his great-grandfather.

Me and my family love Shah Raphael Ji and his family very much.

Everytime his father he and his father Sultan Masood Dakik and his family arrive in Mehmoodabad (named after his ancestor Hazrat Ishaan) we break in tears out of happiness and joy.

Last year Shah Raphael Ji came in year 2019 and has visited the Ministry of religious affairs and mayor. He has such a good network in his young age.

They are all really popular and holy to us and have deserved Wikis.

With sincere and faithful regards

Ghulam Hasan Gurgani — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:D1:CF14:CE88:5D59:95E7:F8ED:B4B9 (talk) 12:44, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Well these are all in all also very good arguments of these Western German Mureeds.

They are actually based in the same city, so it is not right to call them socketpuppets.

And eventhough their arguments and my arguments above are not to be ignored.

We are totally right and will prevail.

-Sayyid Mir Israfil — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sayyid Mir Israfil (talk • contribs) 19:07, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Notability is not inherited, and the sourcing is not at a level to suggest that WP:GNG is met. Arguments to keep appear to be based on emotion and are no substitute for actually meeting policies and guidelines. -- Kinu t/c 19:25, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Same appeals to the arguments of Kinu, which are not based on objective measures but an enmity towards me and my family. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sayyid Mir Israfil (talk • contribs) 21:55, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

I give up, delte Sayyid Raphael Dakik and Sayyid Sultan Masood Dakik.

But leave Sayyid Mir Hasan and Sayyid Mir Muhammad Jan, for that is real history mentioned in Tazkare Khanwade Hazrat Ishaan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sayyid Mir Israfil (talk • contribs) 10:43, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:NOTGENEOLOGY. Coolabahapple (talk) 23:59, 26 December 2020 (UTC)


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