Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scarlet Fade


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The result was   delete. Stifle (talk) 09:04, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Scarlet Fade

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Not notable; author's discussion on talk page amounts to same AndrewHowse (talk) 02:34, 11 October 2008 (UTC) --[Email address removed] 00:08, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Very weak keep Despite my personal point of view of Christian bands, I was torn on this one. I think notability can be said to be borderline, when reviewing the contest won and some mentions of that fact in multiple sources. I tend to support weak keep, but I think it needs to be cleansed of all the fan-speak and suchlike mentions. Imho it would benefit us more to keep it for now, but I admit that my arguments not much stronger than the creator's.  So Why  08:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   -- the wub  "?!"  09:18, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'm not seeing how the band meets any of the 12 basic criteria for WP:MUSIC. I don't see the Ellio's Pizza Rock Star Challenge Online as a "major music competition." None of the sources provided move beyond "trivial coverage" IMO. The author states on the talk page that his main source of info about the band is "the band". Perhaps in a couple years we could try again. - IceCreamAntisocial (talk) 17:11, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * the article is notable. Im the creator, and let me just say, i believe the article, unfortunatley, doesn't fully meet all of the 12 basic criteria. HOWEVER, I personally feel that the Ellio's Pizza Rock Star Challenge is a pretty major music competition. Not only did over 53,000 people vote (well, more because that was only the amount of people who voted for Scarlet Fade), but you have to consider the following: the contest in question was for indie bands. You have to understand that indie bands are a much smaller piece of the music world than signed artists. So, when it comes to it, the 53,000+ people are a small percentage in the category of "music", but a larger percentage of the category of "indie music". To be honest, I knew about the contest back in 2006, when it first started. In fact, my whole town (and all the bands in it, and all the bands in towns around us) knew about it. No offense, but maybe it wasn't notable to you guys. However, to a lot of people, it was. I would also like to add that, while the article doesn't fully meet any of the other criterias for notability, it does partially meet several. For example, one piece of criteria is that the band, "Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network." While the band hasn't been included nationally as far as I know, they have been included on local stations and statewide stations (i think one was 96.5 TIC - http://www.965tic.com). Another piece of criteria that the band partially meets is that they, "Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable)." The band has released 1 single and 1 album, so they obviously havent released 2 albums yet, but if you consider a single an album, then we're good. NOT TO MENTION that the band fully fits the criteria that they, "[Have] become the most prominent representative of a notable style or of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability." The band, which originated in Bristol, CT, is well known in their town, and even in other towns in Connecticut (such as mine). The band is so well known that my friend's old-er relatives (perhaps great aunt or grandmother; i dont know exactly) who lives in Bristol has heard of them. I know they are somewhat well known, and i wish that you would respect that. The band has been an influence for other bands, and i want a source for people to go to when they want to find information about the band (not to advertise, obviously; i was sure to not do that).
 * Comment I don't pay attention to music much, but to reply to "the article is notable" — Have the song and the CD been issued on any of these major labels? If not, it fails that criterion, regardless of whether the separate song is considered a separate album.  Just like politicians — although national and regional significance can make the music group and the elected official notable, simply local significance (whether being played on local stations or holding local elected office) doesn't make the subject notable.  Finally, as to the city: I would guess that this refers to really large cities, probably larger than Bristol; if it meant ANY city, then a four-person band from Ruso, North Dakota would obviously be the most prominent representative of that city's cultural scene, but that wouldn't mean much.  Ultimately, to be notable under the WP:MUSIC criteria to which you refer, it must fully pass one or more of the notability criteria; passing them partially isn't enough.  Nyttend (talk) 04:08, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:BAND; a non-notable band on a non-notable label. B.Wind (talk) 03:14, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.