Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scene queen


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 07:37, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Scene queen

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Neologism lacking supporting article references, GHITS and GNEWS.  ttonyb (talk) 02:48, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment - Okay, so I saw that previous attempts to start this article were deleted due to nonsense being posted. Then "scene (fashion)" was removed due to the same neologism claim.


 * I think this is a subculture that should be documented. It has been around as long as emo and punk and yet it gets no attention, even though the online community sees this as a meaningful documentation of social trends. I would suggest that, as emo is hard to define and, even in Wikipedia, is only referenced by one non-expert source on the matter, it should be deleted right along with references to scene. But what we are discussing is "scene queen".


 * So let's brainstorm on how to instead redirect this in a different way. I can't find a way to add it to emo without the emo crowd deleting it. I think the best way to add this is in the "internet modeling" article, which needs work anyway. Where would you suggest "scene queen" goes if not in its own article?


 * Some ideas I had as a place to include this stuff:


 * Alternative model
 * Internet modeling
 * Youth Subculture


 * Please also note that "scene" is not at contest here. It is "scene queen", which has been used by all these models and new ones entering the genre. --Joe Ryder, eBusiness coach and web visionary (Vancouver, WA) (talk) 03:46, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment – The easiest way to avoid deletion is to provide verifiable reliable references that support the assertion that "Scene Queen" is not a neologism, but an existing subculture.  I suggest you refer to the articles Beatnik and Hippie for guidance.  ttonyb  (talk) 18:06, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tim Song (talk) 01:00, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

Comment It seems that reliable references to Scene are hard to come by. As mentioned above, Scene (fashion) has already been deleted, and Scene (subculture) currently redirects to 2000–2009 in fashion, where the subject is only addressed in a very unreferenced section at the bottom of the page that will surely be reverted by the time I'm done typing this. Ultimately, Scene queen should be merged into the main article concerning Scene, but none seems to exist at the moment. 209.196.230.72 (talk) 01:07, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: A database search for "scene queen" brings up the following results (disregarding accidental juxtapositions of the two words): Title of Paramore's 3rd LP - Emo Scene Queen (Rolling Stone 10/29/2009. In a review of Cat Power: a Good Woman in Kirkus Reviews 4/7/2009, "Marshall's rise to indie-rock scene-queen  was sparked by an anti-performance ethos that seduced alt-rock power-brokers like Sonic Youth's Thurston Moore and Gerard Cosloy of Matador Records."  In the article "Boundaries of Desire: Becoming Sexual Through the Spaces of Sydney's 2002 Gay Games" (Annals of the Association of American Geographers, Dec. 2006) "Colloquially often dubbed the ‘‘Scene Queen,’’ a sexual preference for white, masculine, muscled men and the consumption of branded dance music, drugs, clothes, and cosmetics is central to the identity of the global gay."  In "Remaking the masculine self and coping in the liminal world of the gay 'scene'." (Culture, Health, & Sexuality, Nov. 2006), "There was the perceived danger here of becoming ‘over exposed’, and even being identified as a ‘scene queen’. Additionally, the risk of exclusion and addiction were prominent in the narratives."  "Brief Mentions" (Lambda Book Report, Jun. 1999) reviewing ''My Years with Ayn Rand:" "Even if Rand weren't something of a gay icon, this book promises enough dish about Rand and Braden for even the most seasoned scene  queen."  I found nothing indicating the meaning  in the WP article, and no in-depth discussions of the term or concept.  Some jerk on the Internet (talk) 17:41, 12 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete as WP:NEO and WP:DICDEF. TJRC (talk) 02:07, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.